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So if gts are now 400k, what are gt's?

Discussion in '206/246' started by philt68, Nov 24, 2012.

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  1. synchro

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    Aptly said, values are determined by condition
     
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  3. silver1331

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  4. Tycho

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    Seems to me that co existence across the 246 owners is alive and well.
     
  5. dinogts

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    So, were you the bidder at $230k?
     
  6. tx246

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  7. 4CamGT

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    #108 4CamGT, Oct 14, 2013
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    My design colleagues and I consider the GT as the more beautiful and iconic Dino period. I appreciate and love the GTS but we see the GT in a complete other class of design. The GT is the example I would share to a class of designers as an example of design perfection. The emotion meter is off the scale with the GT. I truly don't understand why a GTS would go for more in my humble opinion. I believe the GT will be more desired and sought after in the future. Calling it as I see it.

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  8. TonyJerseyUK

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    From a designer's perspective, what is your favourite GT? 206/L Series/M/E? Also, Flares or normal? Finally, what is the very best colour to show off the lines in your opinion?

    Cheers,

    Tony
     
  9. ENZOSON

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  10. 4CamGT

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    Tony,

    I love all Dinos but from a proportion/aesthetic "down the road" perspective M and E Series GT's look the best. The extra wheelbase of the 246 vs the 206 is in the right place behind the cabin, in front of the rear wheel giving the effect of more cab-forward and visually lower. The extra track width of the M and E series spaces the tires out to the fender edges improving the stance. The 7" Campys are the best here with or without the flairs. From an "up close" details perspective, the 206's and L-Series are best due to the thin bumpers, knock offs, steering wheel and misc details. The knock off wheels are just too sunk in to the wheel wells and visually need to be spaced out to improve their stance. As you know, there is no "perfect" combination that came from the factory. There will always be a debate on which Dino "is the one" vs another. "The one" is the one in your garage! On color I love the greys, silver, blues, greens and like to be surprised with an unusual rare hue.

    Freeman
     
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  12. Edward 96GTS

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    @freeman, im not so sure that future buyers will value the gt more than the gts. look at e-type pricing. the coupe lags to the roadster.......
     
  13. MarkT

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    I feel most are looking for open cars when shopping for older classic sport cars.
     
  14. 4CamGT

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    #115 4CamGT, Oct 14, 2013
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    I think the Dino GT vs GTS are emotionally completely different animals. As an example, not at all in the same debate as when you discuss a 356A Coupe vs Speedster where each is a defined, honed, puristic icon. The Jag XKE Roadster/Coupe comparison is much the same as is the 300SL Gullwing and Roadster comparison where both are aesthetically stunning but it is the Gullwing that defines the 300SL and the Series 1 3.8 XKE Coupe is the one MOMA chose to put in their collection to define timeless design. The Dino GT/GTS is much more comparible to the early 911 Coupe vs Targa debate. Both are beautiful in their own way but it is the Coupe that defines the 911. I wouldn't buy a car purely for investment. I would only buy the one I'm smitten with. I do love early Targas in the right combination of color and spec but as a compliment to the Coupe in my garage.


    Freeman
     
  15. Edward 96GTS

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    As my architect friend says, hes not buying a dino to look at, hes buying a dino to be looked at.
     
  16. 2GT

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    As usual, Freeman, your analysis is right on the money. The short/long wheelbase issue is identical with the early 911, vs. the '69 and later models, with a slightly longer wheelbase. Some will always prefer the Dino 206, as the first and (in their eyes) purest of the breed. I prefer the later 246, and the M and E, in particular. Re: the E-Type coupe/roadster faceoff: from a design standpoint, as I believe the roof of a car to be its defining characteristic, I prefer the E-Type coupe (NOT the later 2+2!), and think that the coupe roof is a design tour-de-force. To me, all station wagons and convertibles appear the same, as the required wagon roof and convertible top-down look make it hard to differentiate one car from another. When I see a car approaching from a distance, the windshield and roof are the first things I look at, and the most distinctive features at first glance. I may be all wrong, but as a design enthusiast, that is my humble opinion. Fred
     
  17. MaxR

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    I am an architect & I agree that the GT has far better lines than the GTS from all angles. The Dino was initially designed as a GT & it clearly shows.

    I'm firmly in the GT camp & the earlier european models are purer than later ones. True, later ones may drive better, but I'd still have an early one given the choice.
     
  18. HMB-Dino

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    I highly doubt that if you see a BMW 507 or a Ferrari California (late 1950's version, not the new crap), that first thing you notice is NOT the front end (grille, lights, etc).
     
  19. 2GT

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    By choosing these two iconic and classic automobiles, I think you've demonstrated that the exception proves the rule! Fred
     
  20. 4CamGT

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    From a design/styling perspective you have more opportunity to create a pure statement and not a compromise if you can make the right changes to the body and glass surfaces to succeed in the designer's intent. Two historic successful examples are the 275GTB vs NART Spyder and the 356A Coupe vs Speedster. There are many other historic and current examples that are successful and those that were compromised and sadly were not.

    Freeman
     
  21. barchetta

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    Hi Freeman,

    AFAIK, MOMA chose a Series 1 3.8L Roadster. See link with photo of actual car:

    50 years of the Jaguar E-Type - The Globe and Mail
     
  22. Ken Ivey

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    For looking at or begin looked at, the flowing lines of a GT wins the day. The compromise made to design the GTS was to interrupt that beautiful roof line. However, when I was looking to buy my Dino, my choice was driven by the desire for an open car - with more air flow to fit the climate. Along with that I enjoy participating in TSD rallies; the more visibility - the better. Life sometimes requires compromises between the aesthetic and the practical. I chose a GTS and I'm thrilled...
     
  23. 4CamGT

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    Thanks for the correction:) I love the roadster as well! Here's a nice piece on the E-Type and the quote from Enzo Ferrari about the E-Type - "The most beautiful car ever made" Most Beautiful Cars: Jaguar E-Type | Chris on Cars

    The E-Type is a perfect example where the the Coupe and Roadster are stunning with little compromise. I would gladly give a home to both in my garage!

    Freeman
     
  24. TBigs

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    To my decidedly untrained eye, I find the E-type roadster to be far more beautiful than the coupe. One of the rare examples of a convertible being prettier than a coupe, IMO. The 250 GT California Spyder is another.
     

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