Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

?? My Enzo Based Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina has no screen that you have to accept like that to put it in race mode.

There's a lot of point to putting Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina in race mode for normal street driving. It shifts faster, it's rear spoiler is always up creating downforce, it's shock setting is much more responsive, it's exhaust is more free flowing.

 

That makes sense, but does the ride height change? P1's ride height is only 2.7' off the ground in Race mode, I don't think that allows it to be perfectly daily driven. Plus, you don't need all this downforce to drive on the road, do you?

 

I have yet to find a road that's as bad as the 'Ring here in Australia. Too much focus on a single track. There are far better tracks out there that perfectly represent today's public roads.

And based on what you've been saying, I understand that the Z4 GT3 that ran a 6:30something should be a better DD than your P4/5 C since it's faster around the 'Ring?

 

Low speed downforce is very important on the road. Many, many manufactures design it in. The more the better IMHO.

Ride height doesn't change on The Enzo/Road P 4/5.

You can't run The Ring at 2.7 (NS).

McLaren told me they would be around our 6:51 at The Ring. They then told me they were below our time. Still waiting...

As an aside we now believe the Key to the Ring is GT3 and that's what we're building our next one to. Our Road version will be faster than our race version even on raod legal rubber as it will be about 1000 LB lighter. We'll have to add ballast to our Race version and Race at 2950 LB. Our Ring Time goal for our next race car is about 6:30 where the BMW Z4 GT3's are running.

 

McLaren clearly said the P1 would be the fastest road legal car around the Ring. They let slip that silly slide showing some stupid fast time well below any road car ever that was wanking BS.

The Z4 GT3 is fantastic but not road legal. As I said our next goal is road legal 6:30. Our Race goal is top GT3 and to challenge for 1 OA. Come to The Ring in 2015 and see if we're sniffing glue.

A GT3 Ferrari will be racing at The 24 at The Ring in 2014. (It did very well at a VLN race there recently) Hopefully a McLaren GT3 will be too.

 

When did they tell you that Jim?

And good luck with the 'Ring record.

 

Around me. At the Factory.

Faster than me at Pebble this year.

 

Interesting, because that is one month after they went to the 'ring the first time (July). They went back in August but they were filming. Hope we hear something from them this month.

 

Does anybody know when we can expect the first magazine reviews of the p1?

 

Building to true GT3 spec? Or another "one make entry / class" ?

 

GT3 as allowed by Nurburgring which allows BMW Z4 GT3. (Of course body will be one off but it will be road legal 2 seater cockpit as required)

Several other organisers have invited SCG 003C to race as well and depending on Sponsorship we will. No matter what we will race the 24 Hours of Nurburgring in 2015.

Back to P1, La Ferrari and 918 around The Ring. Is anyone else but me surprised that so far there are no official P1 times yet after all of their selling tickets as to what a Ring Monster P1 whould be?

How about the Ring Time of 918? Anyone else thing it's surprisingly fast?

La Ferrari's Ring testing but not yet reporting is as expceted by me. I hope they do release a time one fine day.

 

You can never be surprised by Porsche. Typically Germanic, head down, no showing off or 'Big Boy Talk' they just get on with it in a thoroughly professional manner. Add to that they know the Ring better than anyone and foolish to bet against them. That said I was expecting just over 7, so a brilliant achievement and I bet it helped shift a few more cars.

As to the P1, surprising after their relative grandstanding but again, foolish to count them out, they are not a company that accepts defeat easily and will be back, in whatever form it takes, to break 7 mins. I am sure.

LF, so Italian and I would surprised to see a time for some while yet. I spoke with Fisichella who had been testing the car and he confirmed it is something very special but also was keen to point out, almost defensively, that at the Ring, Driver and Ring experience are the key. Of all of them, they cannot afford to fail so we will only hear if they succeed.

 

Well posted.

I agree.

The Ring is a Monster.

 

Jim, so far I'm most impressed with 918. Porsche was very transparent throughout the production of the 918, and it is impressively fast and exceptionally well build, to top it off it's a Spyder and ppl tend to forget that.

Imagine how much faster the 918 could go around the ring when Porsche comes up with improved and lighter battery pack that could keep charge longer.

Anyway, do you believe Mclaren on the P1 doing 6:50 and even going faster than you on the ring???

 

No I don't. I believe B2G's P1 Time of 7:04 so far.

 

I'm tired of the ring. What about an ultimate track for the ultimate cars. McL were at SPA recently and I think they would rather release a time for that track than an un impressive ring time. Who would thrive there? 918 would lose all its chassis goodies' advantage and p1 is heavier and less powerful than LaF. I'd bet on the Italians.

 

I think that, out if the three, for the average driver the 918 will be the fastest and most easily exploitable car in the real world due to its AWD and compact size (especially important in Europe's often tight secondary roads). It's not a secret that Porsche knows how to make very usable sport-cars.

Personally I find the 918 to be most appealing car of the trio; especially considering that I also find it the prettiest.

Just my opinion of course.

 

Of the three I agree. When the non hybrid version comes out (960) I may get one for a daily driver.

 

Is it confirmed they will be making this car?

 

Confirmed? No but strongly rumored.

 

They told a German customer who ordered a P1 that they've already beaten the 918's time and currently are preparing a web special.

 

We shall see...

 

They have not been back to the ring ( since 704 time ) , its a lie .
They said the same thing to a friend of mine at goodwood and admitted to me at frankfurt they hadnt been back there yet but " had to go back " . There was only a few days between conversations , very interesting . Especially when you see that cars are now being delivered ...
I would still expect p1 to be faster but not convinced now .

 

As I said, don't write them off, they will be back and will break 7.00 even if they have to turn up the boost, use slicks, have a 4 stone driver- they will crack it. Somehow.