McLaren Depreciation 12-C: a nightmare- werewolf?

I happen to like it very much.

 

I wish MacLaren all the best of luck.

the more they sell the more and cheaper Fcars are for us.

 

Great colour combo -12C

 

Positive points, however; for the proper use of "you're".



Mike

 

who cares about this bs. We are so privleged to drive such great cars. Be happy with what you others can only dream about owning either of these 2 great super cars...Enjoy your families

 

I decided to go back to this, the spark of this very "lively" debate. The tone is, to me, an officious attack on those who selected a McLaren over a Ferrari. Now if you own and drive the car, depreciation is a non event for either marque. And to me it is a bit of a lack of real long term interest if you focus on how much you will lose when you get rid of the car.

This and every other post by the OP have focused, as best I can tell, on 2 things to support the general "superiority" of the 458 over MP4: (1) subjectives like "specialness"; and (2) the opinions of others, like "professionals" and others on the "better" drive. History is full of flawed opinions of professionals and the majority, like the world being flat and "separate but equal."

I wholeheartedly agree that each very fortunate individual should select and enjoy the vehicle of his or her choice based on their own personal criteria, subjective, objective and financial. And I agree that at this point in time, the person who paid sticker for an MP4 will face much more depreciation than the person who paid sticker for a 458. It remains to be seen what the numbers look like some time down the road and I wonder how interested any seller was in either car to be selling so soon.

But if you want to devolve into the "better" car I continue to believe that subjectives are meaningless, unless of course you justify your choice by what others believe and that is actually OK if you are at least honest that part of what you want is to impress, conform, or join.

But for quantifiable, measurable, objectives, other than market value change, I am honestly at a loss to identify much of anything better about the 458. To me, you are a "sucker" to buy the slower car in the name of "specialness" or "professional opinion." Of course that's my personal criteria, and again to each their own, as both cars are fantastic and you can't go "wrong" with either.

Oh, and PS I happen to find a certain twin turbo Ferrari vastly more "special," exciting, visceral, important and less subject to depreciation than a 458

 

Right now, McLaren SF has a graphite car for 189k OBO.

If prices fall into 150k - 160k, that will be 911 range. At that price, the mP4-12c will be the best deal on the market.

I'd buy one just for the hell of it.

 

You guys would enjoy the hell out of them at that price.

 

So would I!

 

If the mclaren drops to 150k I would buy it in a heart beat over the used 599 or 430 I am looking for now.

 

How many 2012 MP4-12c - McLaren Life

seems low like 2000 to date. From this thread

 

512 Coupes For USA and no more Coupes. About 350 Spiders right now coming in per year is my guess going forward, the volume car is going to be P13.

 

Jeffrey,

I own both (McLaren and Ferrari), and I have said it many times that both cars are terrific and have many virtues. I think the world of the 458, I think its looks are second to none, the throttle response on a N/A is incredible, and the steering is livelier on a 458. Having said that there are some great virtues on the 12C as well.

McLaren's mistake was too many Coupes the first year, but since that time there has only been Coupes made to order for 2013 and no more 2014. There is a British Section on F-Chat where it is pretty decent regarding the cars. As far as Lone Wolf he is stirring the pot.

 

At 150 I will add one for sure. Love the 12C!!

 

Jeffrey,

I agree the 458 is a terrific car, but if you only chose one then only you should decide which way to go.

Like you I love my 458 , but it seems our views might be misconstrued by current Mac owners by pushing the "458 is a better car, choose the 458 over the 12C" mantra.

Tony (aka Senna) has made some balanced points to your comments, the 458 v 12C has been discussed ad nauseam on both forums that lately most opinions just disintegrates into emotional silliness.

Judging if the 458 is better by putting it into a drift is ridiculous, how many of us here drift our cars...?? another guy retorts " mine does 0-100 in 3.1, two tenths faster than the 458", who cares, you need to put the thing in launch mode every time to get close to these claimed times and if you're hitting those speeds you should be on a track.

As much as I like the 458, the 12C is also an extremely fast weapon with a factory pedigree to die for, you really can't go wrong with either.

 

Thank you very much for your balanced post. I could not agree with you more, they are both terrific cars, and we should be lucky as Enthusiast to have options.

 

Jeffrey, that is an interesting question, from my McLaren Dealer there are no more Coupes for USA for 2014, however, who knows what will be the case for Europe. There will be a third 12S that will be shown in March 2014 (kind of a Scud version of the 12C). The P13 will be the Volume Model.

 

12S? Wow. I was going to get a 2014 12C Spider but now I'm really curious about the 12S.