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  1. WPOZZZ

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    This is really stupid as I couldn't find mine in the trunk.
     
  2. aps

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    #1652 aps, Oct 21, 2013
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    Car registered in Spain in september 1975. Myth? Reality?
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  3. idart

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    The Porsche 911 Turbo (birthday gift to Louise Piëch, now in the Porsche Museum) had a 2.7 liter engine so the car registered in Spain would be a prototype if it was delivered with a 2.7 liter turbo engine from the factory. Does the article provide a chassis or engine number?
     
  4. Unclebilly

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    My car has the mic. It is connected and in the driver's footwell pocket.
     
  5. idart

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    #1655 idart, Oct 21, 2013
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    The 1975-1976 issue of Automobile Year included an article on 55 years of supercharging with several photos of the new 930 turbo engine. The issue also included the results from the 1975 24 Hours of Le Mans where a Porsche 930 placed 15th and was winner in the non-homologated production grand touring class. Karl Ludvigsen mentions this race result in his book, "Porsche, Excellence was Expected":

    “Another significant Porsche entry buried in the record books of racing for 1975 occurred at Le Mans. A turbocharged Porsche coupe placed fifteenth in the twenty-four hour race, slowed by a stop for a change of front brake discs. It was a Swiss effort. The car was prepared at Yverdon near Lausanne by Guido Haberthür and was driven by two Swiss, Claude Haldi and Peter Zbinden, plus a Frenchman, Bernard Bėguin. In the light of the Martini cars’ achievements of 1974 this distant finish by a supercharged Porsche coupe may have lacked luster, but this coupe was different. It was a plain, ordinary production car, one any well-heeled Porsche enthusiast could buy. While the Martini Turbo RSR’s had been tearing up the tracks in 1974, Weissach had been putting the finishing touches on the automobile that was soon to be hailed as one of the finest cars in the world.”

    It’s interesting that this 930 was entered in the non-homologated production class but in June of 1975, Porsche was still building 500 production 930’s in a 12 month period to meet 1975 FIA homologation requirements. The FIA changed the production rules for the 1976 season which required only 400 production cars in a 24 month period to meet homologation requirements for the 934 and 935. Porsche had no problem meeting these homologation requirements due to the high sales demand for the production 930.
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  6. idart

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  7. WPOZZZ

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    Turbo history. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4feRCM9lpRI]930 Porsche Turbo History - YouTube[/ame]
     
  8. idart

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    Did '76/77 U.S. 930's have the plates in the trunk or was this only for RoW?
     
  9. joe sackey

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    Awesome piece! Great to see a 75 930 ran at Le Mans!
     
  10. Shlobeck

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    Funny I looked for my ID plate and it wasnt there either. Either it came off or it wasn't installed for US spec cars. Seems overkill with all the other spots the VIN was documented on these cars. All the other VIN IDs are present and correct so I'm not worried.

    Btw I sold that extra bamberg mic to a fellow Turbo carrera owner.
     
  11. chover

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    No such ID plate on my 76 US 930 either.
     
  12. rynoshark

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    No ID plate on '76 and '77 US...but they still painted the aluminum chassis tag area black when preparing the body (presumably they didn't know whether the body was a US or Euro delivery at that point).
     
  13. WPOZZZ

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    Thanks, I guess I'm not stupid for not finding it.
     
  14. joe sackey

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    Cars - For Sale - Porsche 911 - 1975 Porsche 930 Turbo - Grand Prix White - CPR Classic

    This is Porsche Le Mans 917K race Willy Kauhsen's personal car. Incredible restoration by people who Kauhsen entrusted iver & above the Porsche factory. I believe around $300k is the magic number.

    Seller says:

    "1975 Porsche 930 Turbo - Grand Prix White - CPR Restored
    This Turbo is a CPR Certified Nut & Bolt Restoration.
    It is the 98th 930 Turbo built. Extremely early, Extremely rare. Impeccable.
    For price and further information please call (760) 723-8900."

    Love the early mirror.
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  15. chover

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    I wonder why they put turbo carrera badging and thermal reactors on that car.
    I didn't think there were any official US 930 with TC badges and reactors untill 76 MY.
     
  16. chover

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    It definately looks to be a very thorough restoration.
    But why didn´t they, with such a special car, go the last mile and make it 100% right.
    It should have the smaller version of the 2nd. whale tail vent and also euro front bumper rubber corners.
    And it does look a wee bit strange with the grand prix white extended into the wheel wells and to the underside.
    Still it is a LOVELY, LOVELY, very rare and special car. And the owner/restorers did a great job preserving it for the future.
     
  17. joe sackey

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    My understanding is that they are aware of all the minor that you mention, and will correct them as part of the sale.
     
  18. chover

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    Sounds like the sensible ting to do :)
    This rare beauty could and should brake all records.
     
  19. idart

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    #1669 idart, Oct 24, 2013
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    1975 930, #242 chassis number plate. This plate also has a mysterious “DGM” on the VIN plate (same as mine in post #1647). Has anyone ever seen DGM on other Porsche chassis number plates? Note that the series block was left blank on this plate as well.
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    is this what you get for a $200k restoration?
     
  22. joe sackey

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    At Porsche Ag its $300k
     
  23. CharlesE

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    So what do you think think the resto cost was here at the shop who did this one if the car was sound going into to it
     
  24. joe sackey

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    I happen to know the resto cost was around $150k, and that's no secret, anyone can call them up & ask.
     
  25. idart

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    #1675 idart, Oct 27, 2013
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    Could “DGM” on the VIN tags be related to Weissach? Weissach is mentioned in the book, Porsche, Double World Champions”, within an excellent passage on the homologation requirements behind the 930:

    “Meanwhile Porsche actively developed the 911 turbo during the 1974 racing season, and launched the Type 930 – or, in marketing terms, simply the ‘Porsche Turbo’ – in August 1974. Originally it was a product of Wiessach, a necessity to gain homologation for the 1976 racing programme, but the marketing department soon awoke to the potential of this ultra high-performing machine and the original target of 500 cars was passed by the end of the year. Within two years the Turbo was happily referred to as the company’s ‘flagship’, and the prestige model was in demand throughout the world, production in the first 24 months passing the 1,300 mark.”

    I much prefer the book’s homologation explanation to the Wikepedia entry that confuses the subject but is often quoted in online and print articles:

    “When the homologation rules changed, Porsche continued to develop the car anyway, deciding to make it a fully equipped variant of the 911 that would top the model range and give Porsche a more direct competitor to vehicles from Ferrari and Lamborghini. Although Porsche no longer needed the car to meet homologation requirements, it proved a viable platform for racing vehicles, and became the basis for the 934 and 935 race cars.”
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