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Is this Liftoff for real?

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  1. msdesignltd

    msdesignltd Two Time F1 World Champ

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5nVDSgVT4o&app=desktop]Crazy Gut Wrenching Take Off C-17 Military Transport Incredible Vertical Maneuver 2013 Watch Now! - YouTube[/ame]


    can you convert Thrust power to Horsepower...unreal.
     
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  3. cheesey

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    how much "little Stuff" was shaken out, lost items found :=)

    that would probably not work with any freight ever , I don't think pallets are loaded to be stood on their sides while taking loads in excess of 1G ( the plane is climbing and accelerating )

    actually it is fun doing a maneuver like that... the vertical speed indicator can be pegged... just don't stop accelerating before leveling :=)
     
  4. msdesignltd

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    Previously that would be called a Hammerhead stall?????

    Or lead to a Hammerhead stall..

    You would think he could have got a little more forward speed b4 attempting that!

    Potent Jet , No?
     
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    Relax, it's just a fake.

    They tilted the camera to make it look like plane is climbing.

    Just a way to rack up a lot of You tube views.. Noting else..

    Oops, while I was typing Bob Beat me to it...
     
  7. LouB747

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    Yeah, a fake. The elevators never move either.
     
  8. msdesignltd

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    #8 msdesignltd, Oct 28, 2013
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    I kinda agree, Fake...but the ground plane is still horizontal at 12 and 13 seconds into vid..
    The barbed fence did not leave its plane..at that point the jet is already past a 45 degree angle..

    And then again at 28 seconds into you see a vertical fence post still vertical...

    maybe a little bit of both!
    and also a lucky videographer
     
  9. Tcar

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    For real... not fake...
     
  10. Zack

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    stupid fake. rotates the camera, then rotates it back, and all of a sudden the plane is not climbing vertically.
     
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    #11 msdesignltd, Oct 28, 2013
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    Looks like the Jury is still out


    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0nYeUhe2ww]Alaska C 17 Plane Crash Full Flight Video HD - YouTube[/ame]



    41,000 lbs. thrust each engine...164,000 lbs total will not push this jet vertically..me say fake!

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX0d6F4MBdo[/ame]
     
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    The C-17 video you posted is real.... The C-5 video is faked in that they rotated the camera to show a near vertical climb.

    What the C-17 does in the video is a takeoff using assault procedures that allow a plane to take off from a short runway and clear an obstacle at the end of the runway. There are specific airspeed criteria that are met in order to "pop up" like that. It's not a vertical climb..... That C-17 ended up crashing after they were too aggressive with their maneuvering and airspeed.
     
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    When the stall warning horn is screaming at you all the way through a turn, it is time to let off on the back pressure.

    As long as you keep airspeed constant, you can hit some good climb angles in most military aircraft. Then 90 degrees of bank right or left, without pulling, until the nose falls through to the horizon for a recovery to level flight. Easier in a fighter than a transport, because everything and everybody is strapped down tightly.

    Looks like that C-17 aircraft commander never stopped pulling. With that much wing, g's are just like popping the speedbrakes, big ones, for killing airspeed.
     
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    One very important thing is missing from the C-5 video, a 100 foot exhaust flame and a plume of exhaust smoke from a Saturn 5 booster engine. That's what would be needed to keep a C-5 airborne in a vertical climb. Every time I think about the C-17 crash I think about the numbskull that did the same thing in a B-52, low airspeed and energy robbing maneuvers.
     
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    Nope, phoney movie for sure. A C-5M won't do that not even with the new engines.
     
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    For those interested in what goes on in the cockpit during these maneuvers: here's the C130J demo at the Paris Airshow 2 years ago.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l52WDjdRqgo]Cockpit View C 130J Super Hercules at Paris Air Show 2011 VIDEO - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    That is just pure fun to watch and I would like to have been there with them! I had a similar experience with my old friend Fred Ludtke in his 165 Monocoupe when he was practicing for an air show. His routine was titled "Four 1/2 G For Four 1 /2 Minutes" and he did everything at 900 feet or less and threw in everything there is in the aerobatics book except a Lomcevak. Great to be with a competent pilot who knows where and when to stop. Went through a similar routine with a guy named Bob Barrett in a 450 Stearman many years ago. Got to grunt a lot.
     
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    That plane was all kinds of screwed up after that demo, it required a LOT of inspections and work.
     
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    Are you in a job where you can get safety briefs? It's one worth getting briefed on.
     
  21. cheesey

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    a lot has to do with momentum ( speed and acceleration ) while in horizontal flight, then a little can be initially gained from hanging on prop or sitting on the exhaust for a few seconds... it will get one's attention while either from the ground or riding in the back, never went full vertical, close got a lot attention... used to answer the "how does it perform" question by getting departure clearance to 15,000' off the end of the airport
     
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    #22 zygomatic, Oct 28, 2013
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    Agreed - it really does look like too much fun.

    While I'm posting videos, here's one of Matt Younkin in his Twin Beech.

    For those who love the sound of radials, throttle up for take-off is at around 13:00

    Check out the unique way he keeps the windows closed at a few minutes early. Duct tape:the hallmark of all quality engineering solutions!

    Matt Younkin Beech 18 Cockpit Video - Aerobatics Air Show - YouTube
     
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    Good energy management on the C-130J. Whenever he got the horn he backed off just a bit. Of course Betty was *****ing at him part of the time, but.....
     
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    Too funny - I refer to my SatNav as "Bi***ing Betty"
     
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    Chris- The talking part of aircraft voice warning systems has been called *****ing Betty for a long time. Perfectly logical that should apply to cars, too. First car I had with one was in 1985.
     

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