Boxer Pricing on the rise?

for me there would be only one changing then: the insurance will get higher

but also may be when I´m 75 or 80 I will sell my BB then, too hard to drive, to handle, to get in and out. but just now it is an absolutely fun maker

I think I will drive it like it would be still only 100k. and just now nearly everybody looks around when he see my BB, this will not change

some young driver with new cars behind me during driving are trying to overtake when I recognize this I make a little slower to give them a chamce, buit when after the 3rd curve they not passed me a just accelerate for the next 3 curves and they don´t even see me then anymore . nice to live here in the south of the black forrest where there are a lot of curves

 

I will NEVER. Sell mine( late 1984bbi)...last ferrari model that defines what ferraris are truly about, passion , performance , excitement ...I don't care where they go financially...I am thankful though that I was able to step into one now...I love ALL vintage ferraris but will , unfortunately , not be able to own ANY at current price points

 

I so hope I can afford one when I want to buy... and the wife of course lets me.

 

I am going to do about 500 miles per year, which is more or less the sum for the past few years. Keep it in tip top shape so when the day is rigth and I want to use it its all good to go. I think when I get older into my 60's in a bout 10 years the use will increase again as I use the hard core race type cars less and go back to more fun time int he boxer. Plus I hope by then to keep it somewhere like Montatna where it will get more use.

We may have many different cars in our lives, but there is one car that is the car we own, for me its my boxer, came close to selling and realised that for all the aggravation I could never really part with it.

Maybe when i am gone My Kids will sell it for $3 million,

 

Here is a good one. A new listing at $365K:

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http://www.anamera.com/en/detail/car/250692/index.html?no_cache=1&ret=20&request[filter][offset]=0&request[filter][rowcount]=6

 

Rememeber when Sheehan called boxers sale proof. Now they seem to move quickly in the 120k range and chancers are looking for over 150k.

Remember when Msdesign sold his for an astronomical 125k 7 years ago, a peak then prices slid below 100k.

So i would say that boxer prices are up at least 25% over afew years ago. More impritantly the cars are selling quick.

. Rem

 

In 2002, I remember a good '84 Boxer can be had for $75-80K. (A Daytona Coupe was about 120k). Although the Boxer hasn't caught up with the Daytona, Boxer prices have definitely gone up some, as prices have gone up to 120-under 150k (although these may just be asking prices).

 

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Look at 250Lm prices. If you cant afford that, a boxer is the next thing. Boxer prices are a function of perception. As the collectors move around perception evolves. You might in time find boxers more highly rated that the heavy Daytona. Look at what happened to Miuras which were stuck at 85k. Look at Lusso prices which were also stuck at 85K seemingly forever.Look at the price of a 250Pf coupe today, when boxers were a 90k car these were 50K. The market perception eventualy catches up to reality and then prices zoom.

Against the above we have Ghibli prices. But then masserati is becoming more of a low end brand. For cotrast look at lambo 350 Gt prices as lambo got its mojo back these things shot up. Even early Cts are approcahing 700K. Folks there are only so many collectable or desirable/stylish older Italian cars from the known hot brands. When the light hits the boxer prices are going to zoom and yes even bubble. The fact that they dont sit on the showrom floor anymore tells us a lot.

Lets orgaise some Boxer driving events, nothing adds to the fun and drives up value/desireability like great road rallies hwere people can excercise their steeds.

 

Sean, you are right the only ones selling quick (less than 6 months) are the ones priced correctly. The dreamers are just sitting, like any other car not correctly priced. Many just need loads of work, they look good, but aren't.

Also, what about nice cars with miles on them, in Europe they're many for sale with well over 75K Kilos, here in US people get all flustered at a car with over 40K kilos. Bobileff has what appears to be a nice car with 44K miles 72K kilos has been sitting for many, many months. Why because IMO more of the speculators are buying right now than enthusiasts, and they are only concerned about one thing, ROI. Cars are for sale, but they are not selling as fast as you may think.

Try selling a 65K mile Boxer here in the US. People hear just don't drive their Boxers much and you illustrate the point by saying you're a 500 miles a year owner. Met an older gent (over 70) who had a "81 512BB he's driven it 300 miles since his last service 4 years ago and the car had 44K kilos on it. He's had it 7 years.

I never, every, heard of an owner not wanting to agree that their car should go up in value, it's human nature. The 308 Guys are constantly speaking of how their cars should be worh more ( I own one and believe they should be worth more, but I honestly don't see it happening anytime soon) But, I also don't see many Boxer owners buying a second one and I'm more than sure quite a few could afford it on this site, if they trully believed they were about to take off. $140K to $300K in a few years is a fabulous return. Ill take it anytime and so would most investors, but I'm not a speculator and most cars never make money over a long period of time.

Not one person I have spoken with says they are so sorry they sold it. Miss it, yeah, but not sorry. They have their issues, as you very well know, like any 30 year old car. But, I still want one and don't worry if i get one i will be the first one to say they are worth 400K ;-).

 

i'm glad you are not the market maker

 

On the subject of driving 500 miles per year. Its like a fine wine, I dont drink it every day, but keep it properly for the right occasions. There are other cars for me to drive on hot summer days, and there are other cars for me to use at the track, and motorcycles for when the mood strikes, cars for mindane travel, and cars for transport, like slippers all have their place in my garage.

My driving patterns with the boxer are spring and early summer sat/sun mornings, when I am sure the salt is gone and traffic is yet to appear. Its nice to take the boxer on a 15 mile ride to my favorite farm store to get fresh veggies on a sunday, or just run up the winding road behind my house for a wakeup instead of cofee. In the middle of summer I do a take a drive every two to 3 weeks just to keep things oiled and up to temperature.

Then when the weather cools and the leaves depart, I can see down the road and through the bends, true Boxer season begins. This is a series of 5-6 30-70 mile drives some highway mostly open backroads, at a pace which is between 7-9/10ths in amplitude, ok sometimes 10/10ths too. Then winter starts comming and the boxer goes to sleep.

In other words it gets excercised as enzo intended when mood, weather and road conditions are propitious. Drive a boxer on the wrong road on the wrong day and it will take something like a miura in a texas summer to be a bigger pain. Get on the right road on the right day and its simply a sublime machine, sensitive to every input from stering to throttle, an extension of the mind and body, normaly only motorcycles can feel this way.

When going for a drive I start it up, back it out , go inside finish breakfast and then 10 or so mins later start moving slowly, the rule being that oil temp must be moving off the peg before move. After that speed gets slowly worked up with temperature and then its avanti.

For winter I change the oil, put stabil in my 1/4 tank of race gas/superunleaded boxer mix, pump the tires to 50psi and put the car it in a sealed polybag with lots of desicant. Every two years in spring I also do Rad tranny and brake fluid changes. Every 5 or so years we do a full EO with waterpump, tensioner bearings etc etc you name it we do it.

In 20 years i have done the shocks twice and rebuilt the front end toe links etc. So the car is in great running shape, and the way I keep it up means that when I want to use it, everything is running properly and ready to go. I see no reason to use the car on the wrong day, and a aged car not fastidiously maintained cannot run as designed and delivered by the factory if not better is missing much of the joy of the driving.

It is my contention that nealry all boxers out there do not drive properly, these are very sensitive machines and the difference between a 90% running boxer and a 99% running one is 50% no matter how good the cosmetics or odo reading.

My moderns are easier, plug and play, but for those times when the boxer is in its element and you are in the mood there simply is no substitute, and I have tried many other so called options. So yeah they are a pain, and sometimes even I struggle to keep the faith, but one good drive, especialy in contrast to different machines and you dont need to question why you own a boxer.

There is simply nothing modern that fills that space, and the older cars are truly antique. The boxer has the character of an older car, a harmonious design like they dont do anymore, it requires more skill than an older or newer car to go fast, but can comfortably run in the front of the pack with either. I think its a sweetspot in ferrari road car development, and def not repeatable now that ferrari is back to a front engined 12 cyl Gt formula..

 

LMAO. Well said. How many would it take?

 

btw, I too think 308's are too cheaply valued!

 

+1 that is typically my story or they collapse the day after I buy one....

 

Try this one:
1980 Ferrari BB 512 for sale: Anamera

 

thank you jean
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The perfect everything boxer, low miles, carbed, classiche. If I was one of those mega bucks collectors this would be the one to go for.

 

Objectively, value aside the boxer just fits, and of the three is easily as exciting to drive as the others if not nore so.
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Great trio!

 

the chrome bumper cars are a complete different area.

but this tripple looks nice , none in typical F red

 

I certainly hope prices eventually rise too. However I am not seeing it yet. I think one reason why they are having a harder time than Dino's for example, is that they are a real mans car. I know that sounds all macho, but what I mean is that they are not so simple to drive well, and they can be a handful for the less skilled. The Dino is easy, anybody could drive that car even at speed. And the bb is a tight fit, and most people are larger than they were 30 years ago.

But, I also think that once you get to 35 years old for the bbis then you might see some rise. That seems to be the launching age for late bloomers price wise

 

I see three beautiful cars but the boxer in the middle doesn't fit in my opinion. I love boxers to death and I wouldnt complain if mine was worth $400K but its in a completely different universe when I see those three together. I wouldnt go so far as to say the boxer is like a stick in the eye in the photo but its close. Appeals to a different crowd altogether from a different era. The Dino however would blend right in (with its chrome bumpers) as sad as I am to admit that.