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  1. English Rebel

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    #26 English Rebel, Oct 30, 2013
    +++++1
     
  2. Rifledriver

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    #27 Rifledriver, Oct 30, 2013
    Be careful or you'll be labeled a trouble making *******.

    But I'm with you. It's a dumb idea.


    It makes me wonder what he is going to do to prevent overfilling the tires?
     
  3. targa81

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    #28 targa81, Oct 30, 2013
    I say encourage the installation of catch cans and engine fans. This will surely increase the value of unmolested cars like mine( not that it matters as no plans to sell!)
     
  4. cm2

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    #29 cm2, Oct 30, 2013
    Brian - I've been curious what the big deal with overfill is... Granted its not desirable and fairly easily avoided... but if the original system is designed to burn off any excess through the chambers, it doesn't seem likely to be as catastrophic as a wet sump.
     
  5. mello

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    #31 cm2, Oct 30, 2013
    Ok so you overfill, and then you go out for an Italian tune up? :)
     
  7. mello

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    #32 mello, Oct 30, 2013
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    ... and this f-chat member said that it's common to have pool of engine oil in the plenum. The consequences are broken intake runner gaskets. But I guess it's acceptable since it's common to have pool of engine oil in the plenum even when you're not overfilling the engine oil. This is from a race car enthusiast professional.

    I disagree in all of above.
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  8. mello

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    #33 mello, Oct 30, 2013
    With all respect, it's more than just overfilling the oil. Did you read posting #30? BTW, I live in the bay area as well, where are the good Ferrari mechanics?
     
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    #34 cm2, Oct 30, 2013
    I was saying that partially in jest. I don't see a problem with what you are doing - just thought the original design wasn't a fatal flaw of sorts. Curious what Brian thought - he is one of the reputable local mechanics you are asking about :)
     
  10. mello

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    #35 mello, Oct 30, 2013
    Thank you. I understand now. There are many people that are WAY TOO serious about their F-cars. At $2,000.00+ to replace the intake runner gaskets, I'll try anything to alleviate that! LOL! The gaskets only cost less than $35.00 from Ricambi!

    And I'm not about to pay $1,875.00 for a newly designed oil disaerator either.
     
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    #36 mello, Oct 30, 2013
    I'm one step ahead of you. I put in about 1/2 liter of oil while the engine was hot and idling. Almost immediate, I can see the oil being sucked into the can. Once I saw that, I didn't go any further. I'm going to leave the oil in the cans for a few more weeks, then empty it and see how much I got.

    I'm very happy with the result and the effort is worth it. But if you don't feel comfortable or have doubts about this, DON'T FOLLOW THIS DIY.
     
  12. Zcobra1

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    #37 Zcobra1, Oct 30, 2013
    Mello: refer back to post no#1, you specifically state you did this to alleviate
    oil overfilling, NOT to minimize oil in the intake that can accumulate with
    proper oil levels.......

    Big difference between the two. Now many Corvette guys use catch cans due to
    the accumulation of oil in the intake, if this happens to an extent to be concerned
    in our F-cars, who knows, maybe. And yes, oil in the intake can be an issue,
    seems to happen more to those who drive the cars harder and those who track them.

    Again, the main reason you did this, as stated by you in post no# 1, is to counteract
    you overfilling your oil level. If you did it to counteract oil accumulation in the intake
    with proper levels, I could see the lucid reasoning for that, not due to overfilling !
     
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    #38 Zcobra1, Oct 30, 2013
    Don't worry, I am not anywhere behind you, LOL !
     
  14. mello

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    #39 mello, Oct 30, 2013
    Don't say that! Blue smokes are the last thing I want to see out of my tail pipes! LOL!
     
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    #40 Kevin Rev'n, Oct 30, 2013
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    Exactly where my confusion came from.^^^^

    I would like to know about the reason behind the new Ferrari part. Anyone know? My car is June 2003 build and assy 50432 so I am guessing that the redesign was for the 430 since it shows in first post as being used until assy 51486.

    If you decided to do these cans in your car it might look OK. I suppose after a season of driving you would know if they were needed or not.
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    #41 mello, Oct 30, 2013
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    I need to digress. How I came up with this DIY is due to these two threads.

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430/425760-360-diy-how-replace-intake-runner-gaskets.html
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430/425356-removal-cabin-engine-access-panel-red-intake-plenum.html

    After replacing the gaskets, I got thinking about how I can prevent it in the future and came up with the idea of installing catch cans in the 360. I also have a catch can installed on my 2002 Corvette convertible. Not because it's due to overfilling but the natural tendency for the corvette to suck in more oil during spirited driving. Aside from contaminated O2 sensors, MAF, throttle body, I also have to replace the Corvette intake manifold rubber gaskets due to excess oil on the intake and it only has 28K on the odo.
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  17. mello

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    #42 mello, Oct 30, 2013
    I have over-pressure relief valves calibrated at 31 PSI on all my tires. :)
     
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    #43 Kevin Rev'n, Oct 30, 2013
    Then you are one pound under in the front! ;-)
     
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    #44 mello, Oct 30, 2013
    haha! I like my tires sticky! ok, ok.... need to re-calibrate.
     
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    #45 mello, Nov 25, 2013
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    I'm posting this for future posterity. Here's the content of the catch cans after 5 weeks of driving in various conditions. The oil you see in the picture isn't going down the intake runners and soaking up the gaskets. Any other components downstream isn't contaminated by the oil as well. I'm a happy camper. :)
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    #46 FerrariDublin, Nov 27, 2013
    Two possible causes of this occur to me.

    1. You over filled the oil in the first place and the cans would not have caught this oil had that not been the case.

    2. Your catch can set-up is "encouraging" the purging of oil from the system that would otherwise not have occurred had they not been there.
     
  22. mello

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    #47 mello, Nov 28, 2013
    Guilty as charged! Yes, I overfilled it to test the setup. See posting #36. The result is after 5 weeks of driving the car. I'm sure a good quantity of it was from oil trapped along the hoses. I purposely ran long hoses (about 18 inches) to assist in condensing the oil vapor. Nonetheless, it is working as expected - condense and contain the oil vapor so that it will not pass into the intake plenum.
     
  23. Jagbuff

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    #48 Jagbuff, Nov 28, 2013
    ...awesome, glad you solve this problem, especially since the new style disaretor doesn't work properly either.
     
  24. mello

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    #49 mello, Nov 28, 2013
    Thank you, Jagbuff for your advice and contribution.

    This mod will probably won't pass the smog visual inspection if your state requires it.
    On the other hand, the catch cans can be removed easily and reinstalled after the smog inspection.
     
  25. hairman

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    #50 hairman, Nov 8, 2015
    ya right on no problem for me add 8 to 9 quarts start run check idle and rev up and check, holds about 10 with filter if you do not drain oil cooler hose.
     
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