Why does it seem like Vettel is not getting the recognition that he deserves? SPOILER

I am by no means a fan of Sebastian Vettel. I really like to see him loose. But if I ask myself why, I don't have an answer. He seems to be pretty likeable in interviews and such. An intelligent, level headed, relatively young boy with an amazing talent and a good old sense of humor. Extremely good behind the wheel of a tailor made Red Bull Formula One car. Of course it is the best car out there, but the car doesn't win on it's own. The way Vettel is destroying the field this past few races is boring, yet fenomenal. There is no stopping this babyfaced boy from Heppenheim. Does he have it easy when he effortlessly puts the car on pole, sneaks first into the first corner and runs away with the race from there? I don't know. It sure looks that way. But if it is the case, it is only because he is so immensly powerful behind the wheel of that Red Bull. He doesn't have to bother with other competitors. He just flicks them of his shoulder like annoying little bugs. For him it is just about completing the distance and collecting the trophy. That is sheer dominance. Schumacher-style. And yes, it makes for boring races, but how can we booh someone who is extremely good in the sport we all love? That is beyond me.

Plus, I believe he handles that very well. It can't be easy to be up there on that podium, expecting to be praised and cheered on, but to find yourself exposed to all that negativity in stead. Yet Vettel doesn't seem to be too fazed by it. Makes a joke here and there, then gets on with the job at hand, destroying the competition. No, somehow I don't like him, but man, do I want him behind the wheel of a Ferrari Formula 1 car.

 

There is still time, Hamilton is not even 30 yet. I think MB will have one of the best cars next year.

 

Regardless of how he is winning - Vettle is winning and we are seeing history being made.

 

Great point my friend! But I assume some will chime in saying that it was a different situation......

 

............. AND, I found it!

 

Good point! And BTW - Overall, PROST was better than Senna.

 

Great point my friend! But I assume some will chime in saying that it was a different situation......

 

Not to start a pissing match, but I only recall Prost crashing Senna out for the WDC in '89 and Senna returning the favor at Suzuka. Of course, I read he had 16 collisions in his career, so it's possible that Prost was part of the other 14. I just don't recall their tussles outside of those two infamous situations.

 

There is a difference in what a man can do and what kind of person he is.
This was a character test for Seb and he failed it.

Like NBA stars and whatever, you have to separate the achievements from the man.
Yes, Seb's a great driver. But as a person he lost my respect in Malaysia.

And his winning virtually every race makes the sport less interesting. The only question becomes who will take second.

 

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

Both drivers are clearly among F1's best, and which one depends highly upon which driving style you can best appreciate. Those who like aggressive, risky drivers who leave no margin for error and drive like every race is all-or-nothing go with Senna. Those who appreciate a strategic approach to winning by managing races over the course of a season go with Prost.

I like Senna, you like Prost. Neither of us is wrong.

 

Vettel is very arrogant but that is not uncommon amongst top drivers. However, unlike Kimi he is not well liked. I think the reason he gets booed is that he is winning all the races (boring)for a not very liked team. If he was with Ferari you would not be hearing the boo's.

 

What does the Red Bull team prove? If enough idiots pay too much for a canned drink you can hire the best and brightest to win races for you.

The car should be called the Newey Renault

 

Creative explanation, but I'm pretty certain "multi-21" simply means the #2 car in front of the #1 car (i.e. Webber ahead of Vettel). Conversely, "multi-12" means Seb ahead of Mark.

 

Show me a top driver who is not arrogant and I'll show you a back-marker...

 

DJ, I certainly hope so, as I think a lot of Hamilton.

 

That is what the announcers said during the race at the time. 2-1 means Webber should be allowed to finish ahead of Seb.

 

I do not like Vettel because of the Multi 21 situation earlier this season.

I am however, one of the few on this board that doesn't think his wins are 100% the car. He's not put putting around in that thing.

 

lol..did you really watch what happened , he turned his car into webber .......webber was winning the championship , and beating him every race ... after that incident webber lost momentum and lost the championship .

 

they also forget when he pull parts of webber car to win races , the guy has been spoon fed championships .

 

Facts:

Webber was on fuel save mode since that lap, and Vettel had one more lap of full power. He had to make his move.

Vettel fakes a move to the right and Webber moves to the right. Vettel takes the high left, and Webber moves to the left (I'm sure you're familiar with the double move block being illegal). Vettel gets alongside and starts pushing towards the right to get in line for the corner.

Webber didn't budge, in actuality actually still moving towards the left slightly, and Vettel was busy forcing Webber to the right and the collided.

As I said, 40% Webber, 60% Vettel.

As for your comment that Webber was leading the championship, I fail to see the logic. 78 points for both of them I call pretty equal. After the race was finished Webber was ahead by 15 points, so still had momentum over Vettel.

Vettel suffered a mechanical failure in australia from the lead, whereas Webber crashed into hamilton. Webber did his famous flying stunt in Valencia, where Vettel won (and was ahead of Webber anyhow). In Korea, Vettel once again suffered a mechanical failure (from the lead) and Webber once again crashed out.

If we add all of this up, Vettel still would be WDC and Webber would still have none. But we can go further:

If we actually look at the score cards since Vettel and Webber are teammates their mechanical failures are nearly identical, except that Vettel had more DNF's because of mechanical failures, so your theory of Webber being sabotaged flies right out of the window.

4.5 year score card
Sebastian Vettel: 40 issues (33 mechanical issues, 3 team order, 2 team-mate clashes, 2 significant pit stop issue), 8 leading to a DNF
Mark Webber: 46 issues (35 mechanical issues, 3 team orders, 2 team-mate clashes, 7 significant pit stop issues), 4 leading to a DNF

Up to date to this weekend.

Webber had a few more issues but only half ultimately leading to a DNF.

You can take those facts and swing them anyway you want, but had Webber not bothered crashing into everything he'd be closer to his teammate/rival every year.

I'm not Anti Webber btw, I quite like him and would love to have a ****load of beer with him (can't say that for most others in the paddock), but it is what it is.

 

Post of the thread! Well said. Echoed here by the BBC- BBC Sport - Gary Anderson: Sebastian Vettel exceptional in India to clinch title

 

Me too. I still think he's the fastest guy on the grid. As I pointed out earlier, when the MB was up to Red Bull's level, Vettel couldn't touch him in qualifying.

 

If he's the fastest guy on the grid, how come Nico, who for 3 years on here was branded as a mid field driver, so often trounces him? Last weekend Nico was faster in qualy AND beat him in the race.

Hamilton is just another mid field hack who lucked into one WDC.

Of course, I could be being sarcastic and actually making fun of tif12 again.

 

Haha, I think it's well established now that Nico was underrated.

 

If Nico was underrated, then that must mean 43yo MS was underrated too. Poor tif12...another statement of "fact" he got wrong. (along with MB wouldn't last or ever be competitive and MS wouldn't race again and MS wouldn't see out his 3 year contract etc etc)

Personally, I'd prefer to stick to the REAL facts or say nothing, rather than fabricate my own facts. Please discuss.

So, since 43 yo MS mark II was sometimes faster and sometimes slower than Nico last year, I guess that puts him on par with Lewis...just like Nico. Not bad, hey?

Pity that MB was such a pile of rubbish for those 3 years......for both MS and Nico.

So anyway, it's not just Vettel who doesn't get the recognition he deserves IMO.