McLaren Depreciation 12-C: a nightmare- werewolf?

Want to know something, I went to a chevy dealership looking at the new corvette for my girlfriend, looking to help her get a new car for next year, either porsche panamera or the new vette. She was sitting in it and loving it and the dealer would not let us drive it. They have policy, no test drives on new corvettes. I was like what! How am I supposed to know if I like how it drives? He hands me a slip to go rent a vette from some guy. I will admit it may be their policy but immediately got turned off. Went to porsche, she drove the panamera no problem, loved it and thats what I am going to help her get. So point is they may make a lot of corvettes but this dealer obviously thinks they are something overly special.

 

sorry i'm late to this thread ... does the title have something to do with me ?

 

Not to get off topic but..

A lot of dealers don't have any demo cars. The average time on the lot is 5 days. They don't need to take one out of inventory for a demo and the allocation is still really restricted. I've heard this everywhere.

If you go to one of the big Vette dealers on the east coast you can get a drive. Local dealers though not until people trade them back in (and some will shortly -- a Vette is not for everyone).

 

This is just a guess but I think the OP was referring to Lone Wolf and jokingly made a reference to werewolf not realizing that there was a user by that name. that's my guess. see posts 15,39, et al.

Why not PM the OP?

 

thanks dood i was hoping that i wouldn't be obligated to participate in yet another 458 vs MP4 thread is anyone even paying attention to the MP4 anymore (including McLaren)?

 

Crisswell is the 3rd largest and won't allow test drives. They have one locked on the showroom floor like it's made out of solid gold. It's a 50k car not a Bugatti. They are idiots.

 

If you want a vette the best place to get it (and price) is Kerbeck.com. Largest vette dealer in the world. They ship anywhere too. So big they have about 10 in stock and a lot more inbound. They get more incentives from GM due to their volume so can discount more than anyone once initial demand is satisfied

 

Thats because other than a corvette, what does chevy have that is considered somewhat high end? Its a corvette people, not a 458

 

I thought it was because Mike Furman is an idiot, but that could be it too lol.

 

I just bought one of the first production C7 convertibles at MSRP from Mike built to my specs with museum delivery in Jan. On the West Coast, dealers are marking them up between 5 to 20K over MSRP.

One man's idiot is another man's hero.

 

FYI anyone who wants a Vette it is my understanding Kerbeck will be either at or below MSRP. World's largest and number one vette dealer. Ships anywhere. I'm not affiliated with them but used to be a Vette guy before Ferrari so familiar with the space. Kerbeck was always "the" place to get your vette. They will ship anywhere too. Most of their sales are outside of NJ and require shipping.

Per their website "Kerbeck is not charging one penny over the factory sticker price"

Kerbeck Corvette | Corvettes for Sale | #1 Largest Corvette Dealer!

 

OT: Please allow me to publish the following note regarding the P1 lap record at the Nürburgring (McLaren will not announce the lap time), because I have introduced this topic in this thread, thx.

EVO 'Editors Note' from Nick Trott:
"When we began negotiations with McLaren about joining the P1 test team at the Ring, it was expected that the ultimate lap time would be achieved and revealed in time for this issue. At the last minute, I got a text from McLaren that read: ‘I have a conclusion on the Ring question. And not sure if you’re going to like it.’ A few minutes later, I was on the phone to Woking.

During the conversation that followed, it was explained that (spoiler alert!) the P1’s lap time would never be revealed and that the official line was that McLaren ‘had achieved its objective of a sub-seven minute lap of the Nordschleife’. My first feeling was disappointment because I’m sure many of you will be expecting the time, and we can’t give it, but my second feeling was relief. Here’s why…

I couldn’t give a monkey’s about the cult of the Nordschleife lap time. Never have. The chase for a notable lap time has become a form of motorsport in itself, but a motorsport without a governing body, without appropriate safety measures, without independent adjudicators, and a motorsport that is governed by the ‘competitors’ themselves. The result is a pissing contest, a trivialising of the Ring’s history and a chase for lap times that puts lives at risk.

And for what? A marketing message? Well, this week you’re able to find out what two prominent supercar customers think of the ‘allure’ of the Nürburgring lap time and the (lack of) effect it has when signing a cheque for the best part of £1million.

Dickie Meaden has gone into this in more detail in his excellent column – a man who I trust more than any other to deliver an opinion on the Green Hell. It is the most honest, sensible, measured piece about the Nordschleife I’ve ever read.

McLaren may be pilloried for not announcing a lap time and you may think that it has dodged the bullet because it couldn’t beat Porsche. Either way, I’m glad we can put this to bed: had McLaren announced a quicker time there’s no doubt that everyone and his brother would attempt to beat it. But how many of those would exercise the same duty of care as McLaren or Porsche? After Sean Edwards’ death, and evo columnist Dario Franchitti’s terrifying accident last month, the world of performance motoring – and the Nordschleife – does not need any more tragedy or any more controversy.

The Green Hell’s role in improving driving dynamics and driving pleasure cannot be jeopardised by the chase for even faster lap times. When you feel its true effect on driving, you can really feel it. I had the privilege of experiencing it this month on eCoty. On a particularly tricky left/right/left-over-crest that turned a few other cars inside out, the sublime Aston Martin V12 Vantage S – a car partly developed at the Ring – carved through imperiously, leaving an experience of near-perfect chassis behaviour indelibly inked in my memory. That’s the Ring right there. Not three numbers separated by a colon. "

 

+1, Thanks for posting!

 

It is a Chevy. And the dealers and their customers are not the same as Porsche, Ferrari, etc.

 

I went to test drive and probably buy on the spot, a new wrx just for a daily driver. Nothing special about this car at all, they wouldn't let me drive it? A $25,000 car. I walked away laughing

 

Next time call Rick Conti. He offered me 5k off. Kerbeck is good too.

 

Someone told me they did that with the honda performance car. Is it the Sti? Or is that subaru? What ever the performance honda civic is, they told me they didn't give test drives in it.

 

I tried Rick several times over several weeks after the convertible was shown in Geneva and he never called or emailed back. Mike called me 5 minutes after I emailed him and I put a deposit down then.

 

Can we please get back on track to discuss how crappy the Mac is and how, if you can only have one ...

 

What a great thread(sarcasm).....As much as I would love to, I will refrain from unloading on the OP for some of his ludicrous comments!!

I love how you say... "Buy what you like but...". I notice your arguement comes down to 3 points(I'm paraphrasing):

1. This is a Ferrari site so McLaren owners are trolling if we come to this site(as if you own the place).
2. The magazine says its better so its gotta be better. I am not that good of a driver and I don't track so the fact that the 12C *might* be better doesn't matter to me.
3. The 12C sucks in the depreciation dept. so the F458 HAS to be better.
4. I am one who is trolling here BUT since this is a Ferrari site and since I own a Ferrari, I am by definition not a troll.

Ohhh......sorry, the last one is just my conclusion based on the last 20 pages. HAHAHAHAHA.

Remember - X 28 isn't a troll and he wants you to buy what you like BUT....... HAHAHAHAHA..... unbelieveable.

 

Because never in history have the many had it so wrong and the few had it so right, let alone when it comes to cars Anyone follow the FGT?

They test cars for a living, not own them. They have no experience in real ownership. How can you place so much faith in someone who has driven a car for a day in a few isolated conditions and scenarios?

I personally think it's rather laughable to say how the car drives is very relevant to demand when the majority of sales go to people who aren't enthusiasts. The main contributors of 12C demands vs 458 demand is not how they drive. It's how the look and the brand name.