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  1. waterking

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    #451 waterking, Nov 5, 2013
    I will let Laxson know that you think the Viper is better than the 458.
     
  2. x z8

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    #452 x z8, Nov 5, 2013
    I'm glad I'm entertaining you. For the benefit of others... How about we agree to disagree?

    And of course... Buy what you like :)
     
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    #453 x z8, Nov 5, 2013
    It is possible that in the used market because of the MAC's massive depreciation, the MAC is a better value. Money does matter, at least to some. My prior posts were based on buying new. Both are great cars. Buy what you like and be an informed buyer.
     
  4. PhilNotHill

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    #454 PhilNotHill, Nov 5, 2013
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    having a dealer 16 hour drive away does not work for some of us. only 9 dealers so far in the US.

    Mc should be cheaper. folks pay for convenience. for most of us, buying a Mc is too inconvenient. We have a Lambo dealer in Denver. We have a Ferrari dealer in Denver. Mc is in Dallas. :(

    Assuming Mc 12C is the greatest car the world has ever seen, just not worth the hassle for me...especially when the 458 is available without such hassles.

    Of course if you live in a market with a Mc dealer your roads are so congested that you may or may not be able to enjoy driving whatever car you choose. I feel your pain. ;)

    Best
     
  5. F430kenric

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    #455 F430kenric, Nov 5, 2013
    Come on guys. Who cares. Buy what you like. I will probably buy a 12C spider one day. This back forth is pointless. I like all kinds of cars. I have a FGT, two Lambos two 911 turbos two Ferrari's. What's the point of arguing this is faster better. Who cares. Buy what you want. And if you don't like one car or another don't buy........let's put this thread to bed already.
     
  6. jaxxonr8

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    #456 jaxxonr8, Nov 6, 2013
    ahhh not a price correction as sweet as having my 458 now while you wait. Life is too short.
     
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    #457 jaxxonr8, Nov 6, 2013
    You had me up to your PS... What do you like in a front engined Dodge over the latest mid-engined Ferrari?? Are you sure you "race"? All due respect Fchat brother [we all exaggerate a bit online] maybe a track day or two is what you meant to type?
     
  8. noone1

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    #458 noone1, Nov 6, 2013
    Having a 458 for 4 years in 2010 is no different than having one for 4 years in 2014. It's not like he's car-less from 2010-2014...
     
  9. kverges

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    #459 kverges, Nov 6, 2013
    I race, primarily club, but did the Dodge Viper Cup 2010. Primarily spec club classes of Spec Miata, more recently emphasizing Spec Racer Ford, and did a bit of Formula Mazda. I'd say I am competent and feel free to google my name and after my professional resume hits you'll see racing related links.

    Do you race? I will gladly drive a Viper ACR or the new GTS on track and you can have the driver of your choice in a 458 and we can see which car is faster. Or we can just discuss all the subjective things that make the 458 "better".

    And I'll also tell you that while a handful of 458C drivers are excellent, the depth of a club racing SM or SRF field is way deeper in talent.
     
  10. x z8

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    #460 x z8, Nov 6, 2013
    Well said even though I cannot completely agree. Subjective criteria is valued in just about everything even though it is not scientificly quantifiable. If you do not value subjective attributes than you will prefer a different car than most others.

    Kudo's to you on both your professional career and your racing hobby. You certainly deserve credit for both.
     
  11. PhilNotHill

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    #461 PhilNotHill, Nov 6, 2013
    When I took my F355 to the track I noticed that the Vipers and the Vettes were missing their 20 minute turns on the track...we had three groups per hour 20 min each. So you rested 40 minutes per hour.

    When I asked why they were not on the track I was told that the Vipers and Vettes were overheating. Did not have coolers for the oil like Ferraris did.

    It was a hot summer day but the F355 stayed cool all day. And the absence of the Vipers and Vettes made for more room and fun on the track.

    Life is good.
    Life is better driving a Ferrari.
     
  12. kverges

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    #462 kverges, Nov 6, 2013
    Prob made up for it by covering 2x the laps per session
     
  13. NSXLuvr

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    #463 NSXLuvr, Nov 12, 2013
    LOL!! Next time you might want to do some research before you make sure a ludicrous comment!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCl9eaBVTxk
     
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    #465 waterking, Nov 12, 2013
    Good to know that egos still survive the death of a forum thread.
     
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    #466 kverges, Nov 13, 2013
    I want to say you don't really mean that, but perhaps your sentiment is genuine. I say this with utmost humility.
     
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    #467 NSXLuvr, Nov 14, 2013
    You are a better man than I. I will just leave it at that!
     
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    #468 x z8, Nov 24, 2013
    What's up with that?
     
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    #469 x z8, Nov 27, 2013
    "No love... doesn’t inspire lust or deliver a truly joyful driving experience... Outright performance has never been directly proportional to outright fun"

    EVO: Nick Trott:

    "During my time with the 12C I found myself consistently impressed with how McLaren has made one of the fastest road cars ever built so damn useable, but I never felt this admiration turn to love. I didn’t yearn to drive the 12C just for the hell of it, and unlike my last two long-termers (BMW 1M and Mercedes C63 AMG) it didn’t ever find itself on the ‘cars I must own one day’ list that all petrolheads keep in our heads.
    Does this mean the 12C lacks character, is too scientific and too digital? Well, the 458 is stuffed with electronic systems and that accusation is never levelled at it. And character? The 12C has character, of that there’s no doubt. Slightly reserved maybe, not so flamboyant, quietly confident – all these spring to mind. Rather British, in fact. Sure, it doesn’t boil over with the effervescent sparkle of a 458, or the extroverted lunacy of a Lamborghini, but it does offer something unique. Simply put, there’s no car like a 12C.
    What it comes down to is how special the car makes you feel. Having experienced the stunning McLaren Technology Centre, seen the meticulous build process, witnessed the ultramodern factory up-close, met the engineers, salesmen and technicians, and seen the effort that has been put into the dealer network, there’s no doubt that McLaren, as a company, makes you feel special, but the 12C, over my time with the car, did not.
    McLaren needs to be applauded for the 12C – after all, it’s the firm’s first stab in a performance car market populated by brands with significantly more experience of what the customer wants. Perhaps it’s symptomatic of applying a ‘design philosophy based on Formula 1 principles’ (McLaren’s words, not mine) to road car development that the resulting car is extraordinarily fast and efficient but doesn’t inspire lust or deliver a truly joyful driving experience.
    Outright performance has never been directly proportional to outright fun; I just hope that when 12C Redux comes along, or even the rumoured baby 12C, that the Thrill of Driving is not eclipsed by the chase for speed."

    Buy what you like... But if you can only have one... 458!
     
  20. noone1

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    #470 noone1, Nov 28, 2013
    What's it like to need constant validation from others that you bought the right car?

    Oh, and a quote from the people who matter:

    "I have a 12C Spider and a 458 Spider. The 12C absolutely inspires lust and delivers a truly joyful driving experience. So much so that I'm trading my 2013 12C Spider for a 2014 50th Anniversary 12C Spider next week. I can't get enough of the 12C. I find I'm driving it more than my 458 Spider which is also a great car."
     
  21. x z8

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    #471 x z8, Nov 28, 2013
    Now, now... I'm just the messenger.

    This was a long term test car. Many defenders of the 12-C complain that reviewers don't have the car long enough to appreciate. That's not the case here and why it's useful to post.

    Some people can only afford to buy one. Better to be informed when making that decision.

    Buy what you like. Otherwise you might be bitter when you read the reviews.

    Happy Thanksgiving to all!
     
  22. kverges

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    #472 kverges, Nov 28, 2013
    The concept of buying what other people prefers baffles me. Like the threads where someone asks others' views on what color/options to get. Honey Badger don't care; he just takes what he wants!

    But please do watch your mirrors if you do take your 458 on track, at least until the tranny grenades.
     
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    #473 x z8, Nov 28, 2013
    Many people value other opinions when making decisions, especially significant ones. The fact that many of these people are experts only adds to the value. When there is a preponderance of expert opinions saying the same thing... Hey you're an attorney.

    That being said, the 458 isn't for everyone. So buy what you like. The expert consensus tells me that most of us will get more enjoyment and pleasure from the 458.
     
  24. kverges

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    #474 kverges, Nov 28, 2013
    Honey Badger don't care!
     
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    #475 mhh, Nov 28, 2013
    When people ask me if I prefer my 458 Italia or 12C Spider to drive, I've always ducked the question, probably because the Mac was too new. But I've done 10,000km in it now, and 40,000km in the Ferrari. It's a very close call, but the honest answer is the McLaren - but partly because the open top enhances the experience. I love the novelty of a stiff chassis with the wind in the hair. I prefer the steering, the power, the ride, and the seating position of the 12C. It's not that the 458 is lacking in these areas, but the 12C takes it to a new level.
     
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