Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

You guys are hilarious. The first time we watched this we were saying it does look slow and unstable. No we are saying that it looks a lot faster? Lol. I'm sure you guys have figured out by now that this is the same video as before just re-edited and I am just late. I am sure of it.

 

I agree. What's next? Will they not give out quarter mile times or 0-60 MPH? Because doing so might encourage bad behavior?

How about not giving out this data might encourage owners to take their own cars to the ring and subject themselves to greater danger?

I think McLaren's marketing has been pretty poor from the start.

 

Nonsense? Hardly. Even you have to admit that McLaren have been doing themselves no favours.

- McLaren announced that they would produce 500 cars but could not find nearly enough buyers, so production was cut to 375 cars with some of them still unsold.
- Ron Dennis claimed that the P1 would be "the fastest car in the world" and that it would "break all the records".
- McLaren tested the P1 at the Nurburgring for a number of weeks.
- The P1 failed to perform at the Nurburgring - breaking no records - so McLaren have gone back on their word and have chosen not to release any of the P1's lap times because they have suddenly changed their attitude and now believe that testing at the Nurburgring is dangerous and irresponsible.
- McLaren made a vague claim that the P1 has "comfortably" lapped the Nurburgring in under 7 minutes but will not release any times, videos or proof of any kind.
- EVO's Nick Trott has vehemently defended McLaren's questionable decision. Nick Trott drives a 12C that was given to him free of charge by McLaren.

I never believed the P1 would live up to the hype and it looks like I was right not to. It was never going to be the game-changer it was being touted as, it is not the second coming of the F1 and it's definitely not the "Ringmaster".

 

What I loved about the P1 was the notion that it would be the fastest car on existing roads and tracks, that it wasn't going to be yet another car going for top speed honors.

Given that mission. how can the car not own the Ring? How can they not immediately publicize a winning time, if they have one?

I respect these companies so much but this is a PR disaster for McLaren. Porsche, on the other hand has vindicated my eternal crush on them -- again! And Ferrari . . . even though I try to stay on top of the sports car world, I know nothing about the LaFerrari -- which is how they must want things.

 

I'd have more respect for McLaren if they published a non-record time and just say, "well we tried, well done Porsche".

And yes Caeruleus11 is right, they have put themselves in an irresponsible position, ie. they produce dangerous cars, surely they must now stop.
Pete

 

McLaren never intended to make 500 P1s, they said they will not make more than 500 and the final number was 375, not because they couldn't find buyers.

As for the 'Ring, if you read the latest P1 Autocar magazine, they state that McLaren's aim is to go 2s faster than the 12C (7:28) in every kilometre of the track. 22(km) x 2(s) = 44s, so ~6:44 should be there target.

 

Just read on GCF that AMuS and TopGear are testing the 918, and that the LaFerrari crashed at Nardo (sad if true, hope no one was injured).

 

All of these are good points and its how I remember reading McLaren's declaration about how many they would build.

Lets flip this around:

What if this was Porsche, especially with the last point- letting reviewers have cars on long term loans..... or what if this was Ferrari. There would he howling everywhere. I think McLaren does some amazing things but they are not above criticism and my opinion is in this case its warranted.

I agree with Pete (PSk) that McLaren should just lay it out at this point and then move on. Constantly changing the rules of the game only invites more controversy.

 

Nardo test track belongs to Porsche. Great move by them to give Ferrari an ability to test their car!

 

Mark what's gcf?

 

German Car Forum

 

Are you joking? The initial production figure that McLaren announced was 500 units - there's no arguing that as it is fact.

McLaren P1 Limited to 500 at $1.2 Million Each
McLaren P1 limited to 500 units, to cost around 1.2M USD
New details of McLaren P1: also limited to 500 units

This figure was later reduced to 375. You're claiming this was "not because they couldn't find buyers". Well, I'm intrigued now. Tell me then why McLaren decided to reduce production by 125 cars (leaving ~$150M on the table)?

 

Are you taking the piss?

 

McLaren made it clear from the beginning that they will make at most 500 P1s and that was back when they unveiled it at the Paris Motor Show in 2012. When they revealed it at the Geneva Motor Show, they announced that production will be strictly limited to 375 units to maintain exclusivity. Most car websites' reports were wrong.

Why would I?

Here's the original post:
OFFICIAL - Porsche 918 Spyder | Page 6 | German Car Forum

 

Mark this matches with what McLaren told me from day 1.

 

Mark, don't waste your time with this guy, if you ever read his posts, it's only to knock McLaren and never anything positive to add, even to add something constructive about Ferrari's. Put him on ignore.

His comment to Frefan about not getting offered a LaFerrari was pretty fun though, as if he was offered one.

 

Yep.

About time!

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpeF9Zjqp9E]Mclaren p1 drive off - YouTube[/ame]

 

I was in Paris for the reveal of the P1 and I heard with my own two ears exactly what was said by McLaren's executives about production volume, and Mark has it correct. There's no arguing that as it is a fact, even if its not what you want to believe.

In the original Press Release from McLaren on Sept 27th, 2012 there is zero mention of production volume. It only says:

>8^)
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I'm not going to try and defend McL because they have really put themselves in an impossible PR position. Hopefully they will fix this next year when the Ring weather improves. Until then its tin hats on for the boys from Woking. I'm sure Porsche and Ferrari will not criticise McLaren in public, but they, and the majority of current/future 918 and LaF owners must be mighty pleased and a touch amused. As for P1 owners- it must be irritating knowing that for as long as this shambles continues they will have to continually deal with all the bystanders asking why the car isn't fast enough at the Ring.

 

LaFerarri in bumblebee/Van Halen camo!

 

I believe that Nardo is owned by the VAG Group, which also owns Porsche. It is customary for car companies to rent their facilities though, especially when people have always tested on them. What doesn't make much sense though is that Alfa Romeo owns the Balloco proving ground which has a similar oval for high speed testing. It would make more sense for Ferrari to test at a home track.

 

It's no different to Ferrari announcing they'd build 349 Enzo's and then deciding to build another 50 to try and satisfy demand. Porsche said they'll build 918 cars but they probably won't make that many. Things change. This time McLaren couldn't find 500 buyers. If they could they would happily build 500 cars. I'm not saying McLaren ever committed to building 500 cars but that was the initial production figure that they announced. Before McLaren ever announced the final production figure of 375 cars I made a number of posts stating my belief that they would struggle to find 500 buyers.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141932025-post74.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142109846-post6269.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142137955-post6887.html

Tony, I have over 2,000 posts on this forum since 2006. Have a closer look at my post history and you'll find that only a small minority of them relate to McLaren's controversial claims and their recent "PR disaster". I'm not "knocking" McLaren, but I will express my frustration with them regarding some of their ridiculous decisions. Here's an idea - take some of your own advice and put me on ignore.

 

Has the LaF crashed been confirmed by anyone?