Figured this would be of interest to everyone. Once again the F12 shines! Video: Ferrari 599 GTO vs Ferrari F12 Berlinetta
Thanks for the video. Fun to watch. Its not just more power, its also got a extra forward gear.... Great car the F12, but its not as focused as the 599 GTO.
I don't agree at all, by all account the F12 is a better all round car than the GTO, the rawness of the GTO is where the focus is, its not designed to be comfortable like the F12 is, its hot in summer, the air con battles a bit, it has not carpets, that part of being focused. In my opinion anyway.
A drag race has little to do with anything except power, weight, and ability to get power to the ground. It would be interesting to test them on a road course with appropriate tires. Ferrari lists the f12 as 1 second quicker than the 599GTO at Fiorano.
I agree with you but it would be great to wait and see if a GTO version will come up so we will have a full perspective of the two cars.
I agree. The GTO is focused on the driving experience with less priority placed on other things like comfort. The F12 has a wider mission statement. You could say this makes the F12 even that more impressive.
To me at least, being focused means to have the proper/aggressive chassis balance and grip, steering feel, engine and gearbox responsiveness, brake feel, track ability etc. The F12 has all these but it can also be civilised. It seems like a Mr Jekyll and Dr Hyde car. That's why I said that it is as focused as a GTO, just less raw.
I understand. To me its about the mission. The GTOs mission is more focused. Its to be a street legal 599XX. The F12 has a broader mission statement. Depending on your preferences one or the other will be more impressive. I like both.
You are on the right track--but if you want a "GTO" level of focus you would have to also: -change the throttle response -Change the some internal bits in the engine -change the sound -change the suspension setup vs the standard car -remove the carpet---but make sure it still looks good afterword -destroy all the other F12s after production number 599 -Use a drive train more similar to the upcoming F12 XX rather than the street version and have an official designation from Ferrari as a "speciale" model. This does not change how it drives but could certainly impact value in the future for collectors which some people care about. -Change the gear ratios and make them shorter. Also make the geabox a bit more violent -Replace a healthy dose of the interior parts with carbon fiber Many of these changes make the cars in some way "worse" if refinement is your goal. However cars like the CS, Scud, 16M, 599GTO have a certain charm in their bite/weaknesses that transcends outright speed. To be fair that was a bit of a tongue in cheek response...I love both the F12 and 599GTO, but agree that they are very different in nature. The F12 is very fast and, to me, its strength is that it can go that fast with a much higher level of refinement than the GTO. However, love the GTO specifically because the areas where it "lacks refinement" are its charms. Sometimes it is fun to blast through a canyon in a fire breathing dragon that kicks you in the back every time you shift the gears...
We have beaten this horse to death in many other threads but I will keep repeating it: While the F12 is an amazing car, the GTO is in a different league. Spend a day at the track in both and I guarantee you ... you will want to keep the GTO if you need to pick one. GTO is a driver's car. You need to work it but the pleasure you derive from it is out of this world. It's all the different parameters put together that make this such a great car. Many GTO owners on this board will agree with me. While the F12 shines in this drag race ... the GTO's star will continue to shine for years to come ... even when it is outrun by other, faster, newer cars.
I hope everyone comes to there senses and realizes that the 599GTO sucks and the price comes down. At 350 or so I would buy one in a heart beat.
I had the pleasure of driving one on the track once and agree with everything you say. It is a completely different animal... and animal it is. As for drag races, I find them one notch above meaningless (except to the torque-is-everything crowd).
I have both.......two and a half years into the 599 GTO ownership and it still puts a smile on my face EVERYTIME I drive it. It delivers an unapolegitic assault on all your senses all of the time and is exactly what compels me to own these types of cars. The F12 on the otherhand after 5 months of ownership is being relegated to the secondary market......don't get me wrong, the F12 is a great car in it's own right but when faced with the dilema of which one to take out of the garage, it loses every time.
Could that be different if highways had no speed limit? At higher speeds newer technology might be helpful? Just curious.
I define focus being geared towards doing one thing, the GTO does that it thrills at a very high level, its raw, its not refined like the FF is and that to me is focus. Would you want to drive the GTO in town traffic on a hot summers day, yes you could but the car is not its best there. The FF is more versatile than the GTO without question.
I drove the car and did not like it. My 458 has a better clutch. The GTO just seemed soft and mushy. I expected to like it but sadly did not. I have not driven the F12 yet. I just watched the top gear segment on the F12 and they like the car with some points being con. They said it had to much power and the the steering was to quick. My freind jay who loves ferrari said it is the most beautiful car ever and it is nice looking. I may try to find a F12 to take a closer look. Best Lee
people are very biased regarding the 599 gto; some like it, others don't. I personally love it, but taste and exspectations vary and are totally subjective. I respect every others opinion, if it derives from personal direct experience with the car. And yes, the 458 dct-clutch is more sophisticated, but the rawness of the gto clutch is exactly what makes the car so very special imvho.
