Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

laferrari crashed,crash test failed ,battery issues,slower than p1 and 918,and so on...internet nonsense..this car will eclipse everything.

 

I have a theory.

McL is not releasing their time so that there is a lot of built up frustration. Then there will be calls that they didn't break 7 minutes. This will mount and the pressure will grow until they release a time.

This is free media.

At some point, they will then release the time and it will be sub 6:50 and they will say; "I told you so."

So, what do you think? Is this the plan? Do you agree?









Naah, me neither.

 

I thought about this scenario too. They could come back in 6 months with an official time of 6:45 but it wouldn't have the same impact and it would leave them open to a lot of criticism.

They went to the Nurburgring in September/October but failed to achieve a decent time. They decided not to release an official time because they're now of the opinion that testing at the Ring is dangerous and irresponsible. How would they look if they went back to the Ring in a few months time? They really can't. This has been such a poor decision on their part.

McLaren tried and failed. Simple as that.

 

In fact McLaren are encouraging said owners of a P1 to take their car to the Ring and prove once and for all what it can do, so a time CAN be posted. How is that as safe as a professional driver doing organised laps?
Pete

 

I know it feels great to say these things, but you're still wrong. McLaren decided after receiving input from a lot of potential buyers around the world that making the car more exclusive was to theirs and their customer's benefit and arrived at the 375 figure as a balance of how many they needed to make to keep the project well in the black.

The P1s are basically all sold at this point with two years of production ahead of them. If they had wanted or needed to sell another 125 or whatever they could have surely done so in that time period. It isn't always the doom and gloom scenario you wish to believe.

>8^)
ER

 

Yeah and the earth is flat and I can walk over water

 

Peloton , I was an initial possible customer for the p1 . Waaaaay before we even saw the car we were asked if Lhd was a problem and I we were ok with 500 ish cars .
I replied Lhd was ok but 500 was too high . You know me I'm no mclaren fanboy ( and have been highly critical at times ) but fairs fair and you are 100 per cent right . It was an almost unanimous request from potential buyers to lower the numbers , mclaren obliged for that they should get credit not be ridiculed.

 

If everyone tells you that they don't want to buy if there's 500 then that doesn't sound like an active decision for me to make less than that, right?

 

Porche also cut back on their total. There is only a market so large fro +1million hybrid hypercars. Only ferrari si really sold out, and thta is because well its a ferrari.
For various reasons neither the P1 not the Mp12 are selling in the numbers Mclaren expected.
From performance stats, it seems thta the porche has the winning nurbering number, maclrten wont release stats and I have yet to see one for Ferrari.

I cant help but think that if Maclaren or Porche were non hybrid their appeal would be wider. They are magnificant engineering solutions to somethign not relevent in the supercar realm.

 

Do you believe everything you're told Erik? I really don't expect someone that works for McLaren to admit to anyone that they just can't find enough buyers for their halo car. In case you haven't noticed the trend I'll make it clear - McLaren don't always tell the truth.

Now, when you say "basically" - what does that mean? Are they all sold or are their still some unsold?

It wasn't too long ago that you you were trying to convince all of us (as well as yourself) that Ferrari were struggling to sell all 499 LF's. Funny stuff.

 

Thank you - I think it is fair to say we have both had more direct conversations on this and other topics with the people who matter at McLaren than modena/John. If I had any doubts I wouldn't be making a point of correcting his statements.

Flo400 - I doubt you can walk on water but you are welcome to demonstrate. The Earth is not flat, that I am sure of as well.

>8^)
ER

 

How many are Porsche planning to build now? The last number I heard was 918.

 

It's always been a maximum of 918

 

The people who matter at McLaren telling you what they want you to believe

If I asked the people who matter at Ferrari how many Enzo's they produced they'd swear to me that they stopped at 400, doesn't make it true though. Same goes for all of this information the guys at McLaren are feeding you.

 

The only allocation left is a small number of cars in the European region which is the most depressed economic zone at the moment. It is possible McLaren may shift the percentages around a bit to cover additional demand in other markets with those left over cars. When the P1 was here in Beverly Hills last week they took a deposit from one additional customer despite the P1 already being sold out in the USA. His name will be on a list in case any currently ahead of him in line have to drop out, or potentially they could shift a car from the few that are left over to fill his request. Either way there is no worry at McLaren of filling all 375 positions. That's what 'basically' means.

The only trend I have noticed is of you spewing vitriol of anything non-Ferrari.

>8^)
ER

 

In other words - they're not sold out.

Sorry if I'm being brutally honest about what's happening at McLaren. I don't expect you to admit that what they're doing is highly questionable to say the least. The majority of your posts contain some kind of far-fetched, postive spin suggesting that everything is going to according to McLaren's plans but I guess I shouldn't really be surprised as you are widely regarded as the worlds biggest McLaren fan-boy and you'll stand by McLaren no matter how ridiculous things get.

 

And I am not sorry you don't like being told you are wrong.

I'm not here to play some sort of spin game. When I see something that is wrong ( most of your positions ) I am going to correct it. Generally people appreciate news and information from those of us who are well connected to the source regardless of our preferences. You don't seem to appreciate anything that doesn't support your negative arguments and attack those who tell a different story in a tired and silly act of repetition. TTFN.

>8^)
ER

 

I definitely do appreciate the majority of the information you provide (my favorite car is the Mclaren F1) but when it comes to certain topics I feel that you can be very biased and, at times, very naive.

 

On a regular basis I am talking to enough people throughout the company (as well as customers who are having their own discussions) that in order to be wrong on these items there would have to be a coordinated effort to deceive us all. You haven't given them credit for being good at much of anything, so surely you wouldn't believe they could have engineered a great conspiracy. I don't believe that either and naivete is certainly not the reason.

>8^)
ER

 

Lmbo!! Look where they put the license plate.

 

Of course I believe what you are saying to be true, but is it really good business sense? If McLaren thought to be able to sell 500 cars, surely it would prove more financial sense to actually go ahead and do that, rather then leave it at 375. I can understand prospective buyers are happy with a productionnumber as low as possible, just so they are certain their car is rare (although with a production run of 500 the car isn't really that less rare with a production of 375, but all that aside), but isn't it in the interest of McLaren to sell as much P1's as they can?

If that means prospective buyers are walking away because the car won't be rare enough (it is not a secret that many F40 buyers weren't too pleased when it turned out Ferrari put out far more cars than originally planned, although it didn't hurt the car one bit on the long run) and 375 is the number in which there is a balance where prospective buyers are happy and McLaren is making a profit, then there is actually some substance to the claim that McLaren can't sell 500 cars. No?

 

Ferrari could probably find a few hundred more buyers for their car but they are stopping at 499 (so they say). Isn't it the same logic?

>8^)
ER

 

Not exactly. Ferrari can afford to cut the numbers on total LaFerrari's made because they are a much more mature brand, and also because they have a more diversified product roster. The LaFerrari can be exclusive because they depend a lot less on its sales than McLaren depend on the sales of the P1, as they only have one other product on offer right now.

Obviously they've done the math and decided to do whatever it is they are doing. But it is much more believable that McLaren cut production because they could fail to break even at 500 units, because of non-sales, than Ferrari doing the same.

 

I don't know what Ferrari's rationale is behind the number of 499. Going from mr Ferrari's logic, Ferrari feels the market is satisfied with 500 examples, thus built one less to ensure demand.

I just find it odd that McLaren would ask prospective buyers how much they should built. How is that up to prospective buyers? You either want the car, or you don't.

 

Ferrari will build more than 499 LaFerraris. Ferrari will keep the 'official' number at 499, but that number is about as firm as the original announced production number for the F40 (400). Ferrari built over 600 Enzo tubs, including the MC12s, FXXs and of course the 480+ completed Enzos. I don't think any one believes Ferrari will build 'only' 499. However, everyone knows why Ferrari needs to artificially limit production, you need to assure buyers at least on some level that they won't lose their $1.45M 'investment'. There is no mystery in that. The funny thing is, after more than tripling the original F40 production announcement, it did not hurt the value of the cars long term. I don't think Mclaren will be able to place all 375 units unless more cars are sold in the US. Which is even better for the people that have actually stepped up to the plate and put a deposit down on a car. Mclaren need to keep these real buyers happy as this is their current halo car and as with all halo cars there is a trickle down effect, to the rest of the line up and the image as a brand. The P1 needs to be just as much a seller as it needs to be a bedroom poster. That's what this car is really about generating more buzz about the brand and capturing the imagination of people who will one day be able to buy a car that once hung on their wall. LaFerrari is more about rewarding (exploiting) good customers and being the next halo car for Ferrari. These two cars serve similar but different purposes. Ferrari doesn't need LaFerrari, Mclaren need the P1. I'm died in the wool Tifoso of Ferrari but, I wish Mclaren the best as competition improves the breed.