Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Horacio Pagani said so and I'm not disagreeing with him.

 

I like to think that Ferrari wasn't as scientific back then (when they made the F50) as they are now.

 

How prey tell would he have the foggiest?

 

OT, the One-77 does not have a VH chassis.

 

what? lol

 

Interesting. I'll make a mental note to ask him the next time I see him.

 

Interesting. I'll make a mental note to ask him the next time I see him.

 

According to Aston's Director of Product Development, Ian Minards, it does.

Source: Autocar interview

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Re; pagani It was widely circulated after the Geneva show

http://www.gtspirit.com/2013/03/13/horacio-pagani-admits-hes-not-impressed-by-mclaren-p1

Pagani Thinks The McLaren P1 Fails Where Lamborghini And Ferrari Succeed

Horacio was not impressed. He said because the P1 has the same carbon tub and 4.8-liter 3.8-liter V8 as the MP4-12C, it's not much more than a tuned version of the base McLaren in his eyes.

 

It looks like Horacio fell into the same trap as many by making assumptions or simply not knowing the differences between the P1 and 12c. In his defense I suppose there wasn't a lot of official public knowledge about the differences either. He also sells a competing car and entitled to his own opinion!

 

And I would like to say that know better than him about the P1 and that his wrong.

 

Wolfgang in reading that article Haracio felt the P1 was lacking soul, although he hasn't driven it. He was confident about the ferrari, although he hadn't seen it. He's a nice guy and all, but he's obviously biased towards the Italians!

 

No doubt he is. However - I don't think I've ever read anything negative, by fans, or press regarding his cars, or designs. (or him as a person)
Kevin

 

I love his cars; in fact I was very close to buying one. For me the negatives are it wasn't street legal (at the time but since corrected). Service is still a problem. And I'm not convinced you'll find parts (not engine parts since that is MB), but body/interior pieces. There's no question the fit and finish is the best money can buy. For me I'm looking for more of a driver's car, which I think the 3 cars mentioned in the thread's title are more suitable. IMHO of course. I would love to own a Zonda someday.

 

Maybe you missed the reporting when they obviously cheated during their Top Gear Power Lap for the Huayra with cut slick tires they claimed were road legal?

Or more recently when they imported their first US-spec Huayra with an engraved data plate screwed to the doorjamb that implied the car met all Federal standards except for a few covered by waiver, such as the Smart Airbag. However, Pagani's applications for such exemptions were denied by the DOT and the waiver numbers they cited on the plate belong exclusively to Koenigsegg.

Nobody is perfect...

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Holy crap? Are all P1 fans really that thin skinned? Someone above asked about pagani's thoughts on the P1 and I posted the links. Like him I think the P1 is as ugly as a foot, (although amazing performance) but I'm just a dumb car guy onnthe Internet, not a respected car designer & builder.

 

Nothing to do with thickness of skin, but Horacio Pagani, even being the great Horacio Pagani, is not infallible and does not get to write his own facts.

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I just read this months EVO, I have to say I'm truly disappointed with the article on the McLaren at the Ring. The fact that they made a pointless trip to Germany and left with little to nothing to show for it is one thing, but the demeaning manner in which they talk about the Porsche 918's lap time around the Ring is absolutely deplorable. To blatantly say that the P1 would make the Porsche's record-breaking time look "pedestrian" - despite having no times, videos or proof of any kind to back up this claim - is utterly pathetic.

The Huayra Top Gear thing is a completely fair point but this...Jesus Christ, Erik. Honestly, why would anyone actually care about that?

Ferrari apparently only let the press test "ringers" (surely no other manufacturer that would do such a thing? ), Pagani cheated by using slicks for their Top Gear lap and McLaren essentially bribed EVO's editor giving him a 12C to use long-term on the condition that the magazine only publishes what McLaren want them to. So, like you said, no one is perfect.

 

Horacio's cars are WAY beyond any of these three in terms of fit, finish and bespoke quality.

In that regard Horacio stands alone.

We've scheduled a time to design a one off together.

 

Perhaps because it is a violation of the law and if someone who mattered had noticed this the car could have been impounded and crushed?

Shortly after it was noticed and a discussion sparked on another forum, the beautiful yet inaccurate engraved data plate was removed from the car and replaced with cheap foil sticker. You can't even call it a mistake when the verbiage on the original plate was word-for-word identical to the legit information label that appeared on the US-legal Koenigsegg CCX's.

It was widely reported that Pagani had not received those waivers so it is unclear who they were trying to fool. I am a supporter of Pagani and save for the face of the Huayra I am a fan of what they are doing, but installing a bogus data plate on the first car you import to the USA claiming legality through waivers you don't have is pretty sketchy behavior.

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Is the car in question Brett David's red Huayra?

 

^No, it's the bare carbon with red interior "demo" car that apparently already has a US owner.

 

Conflicting literature on the subject. Being that VH isn't a "chassis" and is rather a "philosophy" of engineering,

 

Correct.

John - if you or anyone else cares to see the evidence, I offered the visual details in the post linked below and in ones that followed.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142633840-post613.html

The photo of the foil label didn't get shared in that thread yet but I can grab it if anyone cares to continue the discussion.

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Maybe po-ta-to, po-tah-to but it's more than just their philosophy.

I don't see this as a negative at all, mind you. It is a brilliant way for a small volume auto manufacturer to present multiple models with little added costs. Without these platform sharing measures a company like Aston Martin would likely be struggling.

McLaren are using a similar approach with their chassis architecture at this point - perhaps more in tune as all their models will fall into a similar niche product-wise - but certainly not cookie-cutter or interchangeable across the model lineup they offer and plan to offer.

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