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New (crazy) record for E-Type

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  1. nerd

    nerd F1 Rookie

    Oct 12, 2003
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    From last week's RM/Sotheby's Art of the Automobile auction:

    1966 Jaguar E-Type Series I 4.2-Litre Roadster

    Classic Showcase restoration of a 71K mile car. Three time JNCA 100-point car, two 1st in class wins, etc. Basically a fresh best of class cosmetic restoration, but no notable history or ownership.

    Chassis no. 1E11911
    Engine no. 7E6555-9
    Body no. 4E3351
    Gearbox no. EJ5705

    Sold for $467,500

    The top of the market for this sort of car has been $145K with a few exceptions stretching towards $200K when alcohol, testosterone and coaxing auctioneers are involved. But $467K?

    Here's the link if anyone cares: 1966 Jaguar E-Type Series I 4.2-Litre Roadster | Art of the Automobile 2013 | RM AUCTIONS
     
  2. ghibliman

    ghibliman Formula Junior

    Feb 19, 2009
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    WOW....that’s an anomaly. Wonder why.

    I'm the second owner of a black plate '65 OTS. Maybe it's time for a full restoration!

    Beautiful car/photos....thanks for posting.
     
  3. freestone

    freestone Formula Junior

    Feb 8, 2005
    413
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    That is a fantastic price.

    Perhaps the color black also helps - but from the description it seems like black was not the original color?

    These are undervalued cars.
     
  4. rdefabri

    rdefabri Three Time F1 World Champ

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    The price is stratospheric, but I do agree that at least these cars are underrated.

    Like ghibliman, I am the owner of a S1 - although it's a '66 FHC. It's a driver, but perhaps I too should think about a restoration! :)
     
  5. jonack

    jonack Formula Junior

    Jul 3, 2007
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    Berkeley, California
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    One element that needs to be taken in to account in this particular sale, is how the cars
    Were presented. The cars were arranged as though they were at an art museum or an important art collection, the kind of clientele in attendance, the facility where this auction was held, the lighting used, all these elements played to help hype the cars. It seemed the kind of atmosphere was instrumental to several sales being extremely strong. Yes, over 450k for an E type dose seem rather amazing, but don't count every perfect E type selling at that price... Show winner or not.
     
  6. ghibliman

    ghibliman Formula Junior

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  7. ScuderiaWithStickPlease

    ScuderiaWithStickPlease F1 World Champ

    Dec 17, 2007
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    NY Metro
  8. f308jack

    f308jack F1 Rookie

    Jun 7, 2007
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    Overpaying a car by 200% must mean your money came way too easy. A great way to get the IRS to focus on you:)

    Best,

    Jack.
     
  9. UroTrash

    UroTrash Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 20, 2004
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    Well, The Big E did call it "The most beautiful car in the world".
     
  10. 2NA

    2NA F1 World Champ
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    Dec 29, 2006
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    Absolutely crazy money to be sure.
     
  11. xs10shl

    xs10shl Formula 3

    Dec 17, 2003
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    Likely unrepeatable result in the near term, but I would imagine it will be highly referenced by auctioneers and ring men alike come January in Scottsdale.
     
  12. nerd

    nerd F1 Rookie

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    One big winner is Classic Showcase who auctions off a handful freshly restored E-Types every year. I owned a 1966 E-Type OTS restored by Classic Showcase and it collected its share of +99 point trophies and wins. Their cars are indeed pretty, but poorly sorted if you actually drive and maintain them; unrestored instrumentation, broken-off tap where a Zerk fitting should be, brake hardware safety wired the wrong direction, poorly prepped metal work that resulted in paint sag years later, etc.
     
  13. nerd

    nerd F1 Rookie

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    BTW, Gooding & Co. will have a 1963 E-Type roadster and their estimate is $200-250K no reserve. A few era in Jaguar E-Type valuations? I doubt it.
     
  14. xs10shl

    xs10shl Formula 3

    Dec 17, 2003
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    I can hear Charlie Ross now "250 thousand I'm bid. No money, really. 300 thousand, may I say. You're getting it at half price. Are you bidding, madam? No? Just ordering a cocktail, then? "
     
  15. freestone

    freestone Formula Junior

    Feb 8, 2005
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    Prices are steadily increasing.

    I paid a very strong price for a '62 coupe which is all original (paint and interior) in blue/red with documenting going back to the original purchaser including bill of sale. 25,000 miles.

    I hope in several years it will be "well bought."
     
  16. nerd

    nerd F1 Rookie

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    Funny. Those ballroom chandeliers are always spoiling it for the rest of us.
     
  17. ghibliman

    ghibliman Formula Junior

    Feb 19, 2009
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    #17 ghibliman, Dec 1, 2013
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2013
    Certainly not in the same stratosphere but a '61 sold for $304,500.00 and a '64 for $194,664.00 at the recent RM auction. Perhaps these cars are rising with the tide of recent ridiculous prices, but I do feel good ones have been under-valued in general.
     
  18. thedoc

    thedoc Formula 3

    May 27, 2009
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    66 etype fhc fold tonight by RM in Arizona for 160k

    Gary
    71 Espada
    8394
    63 etype FHC
    887465
     
  19. rdefabri

    rdefabri Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Wow...same year as my FHC...interesting.
     
  20. nathandarby67

    nathandarby67 F1 Veteran
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    Feb 1, 2005
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    I am kicking myself for not buying one of the Series 1 coupes I looked at a couple of years ago, very nice cars in the $40-60K range. Oh well! :D

    Questions:

    Do you think the run up in Series 1 E-Types is a permanent deal, or part of the larger collector car bubble some people think we are in?

    Series 2 and 3 cars still do not seem to have increased much, especially relative to the Series 1 cars. Do you think they will soon start heading up as the Series 1 cars start getting priced more and more out of a lot of people's range?
     
  21. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    git er dun! looks like an upcoming balance sheet event for you:)
     
  22. rdefabri

    rdefabri Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I've always wondered when E-Types would "get their due". That may sound a little off base, because they certainly are respected and well-known. However, I always felt they weren't valued the same as others (e.g., mid-year Corvettes), especially the coupes.

    I'd hazard a guess they could correct in time, but relatively speaking, it may be difficult to find another solid S1 in that range.

    I've thought of selling mine for a SII coupe, if for nothing more than getting out while I'm ahead of the game. Nothing really serious though...
     
  23. rdefabri

    rdefabri Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Indeed!!! :)
     
  24. nerd

    nerd F1 Rookie

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    Some details and history on my E-Type: Home
     
  25. UroTrash

    UroTrash Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 20, 2004
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    Clifford Gunboat
    Lovely car!
     

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