Would you replace your F430/Scuderia with new 991 GT3?

It's enigmatic and defies all forms of analysis. To the uninitiated, Caerruleus11's quote is completely rediculous from a logical standpoint, almost child-like...Then you drive a Ferrari (especially a Scud) and all of a sudden there is clarity, his quote has a profundity to it, you understand

 

After reading all the statements, I guess the answer is clear.
(btw, from my side also a clear NO, NEVER - Scuderia for ever)

I'm very curious what you will do now...

 

You need to be objective folks! I don't have a scud (there goes the objectivity!!), I have a CS and I also have a 997.1 GT3. I track both cars often. They are both very very good track cars; but the cars are completely different.

1) Porsche is more engaging. It's not an easy car to drive fast, but it is such a fun car. The CS is less engaging, but, by god, it's such a fun car. It is much easier to drive.

2) Porsche has the weight behind the axle, despite the fact that it pulls bigger lateral g's than the CS, you always feel that weight behind you. At the limit and if you don't know what you are doing, it will sling shot and spin you out of the track - trust me, I know! The Ferrari is a mid engine car, it is a very predictable and confident car. You can toss it around at high speeds and it responds extremely well. At the limit it may four wheel drift, over steer, but all under control.

3) Sorry my Ferrari fellow owners, the steering feel of the Porsche is THE best in any class of cars, bar none. The Ferrari is not as good in my opinion.

4) I have not had any issues with my Porsche, none whatsoever; I have replaced the F1 pump in the Ferrari once. I think both cars are very reliable cars even operated at extreme conditions of track abuse. You just got to take care of the car, do the proper services, no need to worry about anything.

5) Ferrari sound, hands down, is the most beautiful music to my ears. I have Capristo on the car; it's the sweetest sound on the planet. Porsche does not even come close. I know it does not affect performance but man the Ferrari puts a smile on my face every single time I drive it.

6) On 991 GT3, I am okay with the PDK. As a track car, I don't have to worry about shifting with a clutch, and can focus on braking, steering, and my racing line. It's just like the Ferrari's F-1 transmission from a functionality stand point. I may have a problem with the 991 GT3 steering now that the mechanical links are gone. I have not driven one yet (obviously!) but I am skeptical.

7) I am on a sort of a list for the 991 GT3 RS. My dealer tells me that I will get one despite very limited allocation. I might replace my 997.1 GT3 with the new RS.

8) I am on a sort of a list for 458 Speciale. This WILL not replace my CS. I will keep it. Love the car.

9) Keep the Scud, get a 991 GT3, you will not regret it. Guaranteed.

 

Ok, you did preface this with tossing objectivity out the window...

I totally disagree with you on #3 - sorry Porsche owners, Lotus steering feel is THE best of any production street car, bar None.

I do agree partially with #9 - but say add a Lotus. I don't regret my 16M and "junior" Scud.
Ill be tracking both in a week!

 

Hell NO nor in 100 years... Scud is a loaded gun!

 

Kevin, although I'm very objective in my day-to-day decision making and "objectivity" is mandated in my profession, I must confess that "objectivity" was very low on my list when I bought my Scud and I dare say when considering the purchase of most Ferraris, objectivity is generally low on the list of 90% of Ferrari buyers. Objectivity is for Toyota and Honda buyers.

One thing my Car Buyers Anonymous' 12 step program has taught me is to get beyond denial. So, let's be truthful here, because we have all experienced and fell prey to the Ferrari mystique. "Emotion' and 'emotional" are terms which, in all honesty, best describe the average Ferrari buyer's primary motivation, and there is nothing wrong with that

 

I currently had to make a choice, I have 08 430 spider and a 997s. My options were;

1. Keep the '08 430 spider, sell the 997s and buy 2014GT3.
2. Sell '08 spider and 997S, buy 2014 458 spider.

The decision for me was very easy once I thought my thru how I use the car and what aspects I really enjoy. I went with option 2.

 

I am keeping my 430 MT spider for a long time. My next car will be a GT2 or GT3. I cannot imagine 458 ownership being better than owning two cars.

 

No

 

ferrari is ferrari!!!!!

 

458...maybe a valid point.

Scud ownership...it's worth it

 

I'm sure if the porsche had no power steering, they would get the feel to the same point. And, honestly, the porsche's are better cars IMO. Again, I've had a lotus. I'm still a lotus guy at heart. You can't exactly compare a lotus to a porsche or ferrari. Not even sure where lotus came into discussion. I'm noticing you keep posting things about lotus cars on a ferrari forum...Just my observation.

Morgan

 

This looks to be an absolutely brilliant and involving car. But would I sell the CS for one? No.

I think Montezemola said it best, "Ferrari has passion! As good as Porsche technology is, it is like having a fridge"!

Would I buy one? Yes!

 

Good one. And no.

 

True, the Lotus is not in the league of a Ferrari, but I was merely making a point of the Lotus "connection" to the road.
Like you I am a Lotus guy at heart but I also have a passion for Ferrari. This past weekend, I just tracked my 16M and my S260 Exige. They are verrryyy different cars on track and even though it is underpowered in comparison, I liked the handling of the Exige better.
Both Marques have such great racing heritage.
Now on to our regularly scheduled program....

 

1) Centerlocks are known to fail on the 997.2 GT3, RS and Porsche have issued two recalls...like they didn't get it right with the first recall.

2) Porsche attached coolant hose couplers with epoxy glue. The huge number of failures is easily found by owners posting. Porsche's solution was a longer tube and different glue.

3) Track your GT# / RS once and if the dealer finds out about ALL of the warranty is denied.

4) The Pcar forums make it seem like there is a growing number of owners unhappy with Porsche quality, dealers and warranty claims
I was surpised

If the 991 starts having any of these issues then I would definitely rule them out

 

Would be hard decision if didnt own either and were trying to pick one or other. New gt3 with warrantee thats better on street vs used better looks and sound but what happens if breaks. BUT, if already own scud and its been reliabe, stick with it. Maybe switch when gt3rs in couple years

 

No

 

This is new? remember the IMS? My 986 had **** build quality compared to the 360 and 928. Every thing is plastic! If you don't know how durable Porsches used to be.. people don't realize how they've cut corners for profit.

 

I would never replace a Ferrari with a Porsche. Period.

 

I'm absolutely addicted to the track. I have been a member at Autobahn Country Club in Joliet, IL for about 7-years. Many of the new members back then brought their Ferrari's, GT3's and M3's to the track, but realized 'street cars are not great track cars'. Over time, the most popular race-car is the Spec. Miata.

I drive a 2014 M5 for every day, and have a 911 S Cab and F430 Spyder for fun days. At the track, I'm using the SM, Formula Mazda and a Corvette - all track specific cars. They're safer, and built for the abuse that tracking a car will endure.

Consider buying a track car, and keep the Scud for driving to the track.

 

never?
let's see.

my choice? Given these very desirable Ferrari....
328 vs 959? Porsche
360CS vs. GT3RS4.0? Porsche
Scud vs. CGT? Porsche
458Speciale vs 918? Porsche


Of course all the above the porsches cost way more than the Ferrari but "never"? Come on!!!
Porsche makes great cars. Give respect where it's due

 

Your comparison is not fair at all.

SCUD VS GT3RS4.0
Enzo VS CGT
ENZO replacement VS 918

More like it.

 

Wouldn't this be more approapriate in terms of comparison...

Enzo vs. CGT
360CS vs. 997.1 GT3 / GT3RS
Scud vs. 997.2 GT3RS 3.8 & 4.0
458 Speciale vs. 991 GT3
LaFerrari vs. 918

...I'm not even saying which I'd pick, but isn't this a more accurate comparison stack?

Posted at the exact same time as ferrame!

 

I would not trade a scud for the GT3 and I will be ordering the GT3.