David Piper restores the Talacrest P4

Who cares that it sold or what it sold for?

The only fact that still remains important in this whole thread is a real RARE car was lost to make a fake.

You can throw a Ferrari Body on a once undesirable Fiero and that may now sell also.

And from the looks of the body this one is as badly made as a Ferrari Fiberglass kit car body.

The Nose has been way off since day one. Even glaringly evident when the car was in bare aluminum.

 

Who really cares? The car is sold. The number doesn't really matter. All that matters is the fact an unwanted car, became a wanted car after the conversion. Historical or not, nobody want an ugly car in their collection, so they made an ugly car pretty.

Ferrari collecting regardless of what some may tell you, is based more on the shiny red paint, on a pretty body, rather then the historical significance of any car. Just look at the price of the Dino's. Why are they commanding big money? They certainly are not historical cars, they built a ton of them, but they have become the flavor of the month because they are a great looking car (and a hell of a lot of fun to drive). But defiantly not worth anywhere near the 300k+ they are commanding.

Piper made this a car people would love to have in their collection. Why? Because it looks pretty, historical significance be damed. "I want a P4, make me one out of this ugly thing". And that is exactly what we have here.

 

I could think of at least one person who did want it in their collection in the original way. But not at the price it went for at auction. It looked better when it was original.

 

Once again.

HL bought it as a 350 Can Am.

HL paid to have it Piperised.

HL then sold it.

You said:

"Job well done from that aspect"

You know what HL paid for 350 Can Am 0858?

You know what he paid to have it Piperised?

You know what he sold Piperised 0858 for?

Your statement

"Job well done from that aspect?"

is based on what facts/numbers?

 

Piper made this car?

A lot of truth there.

 

The thread remindes me of the poem "The boy stood on the burning deck" !!!!

The ship that was a Can Am has sailed fellas whether you like it or not.

I guess the other one is "there once was an ugly duckling"

 

The most valuable lessons are learned from the biggest mistakes.

 

At least Piper had the decency to make his one as inaccurate as the other replicas out there.

 

To say the 350 Can Am was an ugly car is just ludicrous.

 

So how much do some vintage parts in a skin that looks nothing like the original actually sell for?

I have no experience in any of these cars, but based on those photos, the car looks terribly inaccurate.

 

Once again.. Who cares what the final price was? So what if it cost the guy 100 million, he obviously didn't want the Can Am as it was..so he chopped up and made what we see. Why? I'm guessing because the can am is ugly, and the P4 is pretty. That's it. If an original P4 where available I'm sure the buyer would have bought that,rather then go through the process of chopping up a car, and building his own (and poorly for that matter). I hope the owner is happy..

 

Explain?

 

Really?

The Can Am was a very aggressive race car. There was nothing ugly about it.

Maybe not considered by most to be as beautiful as a P4 but definitely more beautiful then a replica P4 body that is now obviously not done correctly.

 

A number of the P4 recreations look better than this one.
What does that say?

 

So true. Hahaha.

 

I think it's so funny that people defend this car by saying that it can be fixed correctly once someone buys it. Really? What does that say about the work that you can't see? Should someone really need to let it go for months to get it done right the second time around when it was just went through a couple year restoration?

I would love to see this car in a side by side comparison of 0856 and a Norwood.

Even with the obvious differences in the Norwood I'd bet that the Norwood is hands down more accurate then this one.

 

That they'd send it out the door with the admitted mistakes speaks volumes about the whole misadventure.

 

If you look at the pictures of the car in aluminum you can see how bad the nose is off. Not just in it's overall shape but off from one side compared to the other.

I don't understand why, with this level of work you wouldn't just get a full recreation? The car now, is even more obviously not the P4 it once was. Why take out an actual rare surviving car for a sloppy job that misses the mark? It is wrong even if done right but then they insult the history of the car with this?

I am waiting to hear what Tonga has to say about this, afterall he said lets not pass judgement till it's done and we see how it comes out. Well were there and the doubt it will come out well has been confirmed.

Also wondering why we haven't heard from MiuraSV. Although I don't agree with his opinion it was nice to hear the other side of the argument.

R.I.P. Old warrior 0858

 

And that's the point. "Not considered by most".

 

Well then, if that's the facts, we should just re-body all the cars that are less desirable into those models that are more desirable and completely erase the actual history of Ferrari.

 

The 350 Can Am that "nobody wanted." (By the way that really is an irritating lie.)
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That is just an ugly,ugly car.

I'm barely able to look at that disfigured mutant.

 

Angle, lightning and probably a good bit of photoshopping even makes the CanAm look halfway decent. But of course it was just a matter of time until all Ferrari CanAms are reverted back to P car looks. 0844 was done as soon as it left Medlin's hands and now 0858 has been returned as well. The only reason two P cars still remained in f_ugly CanAm style into the 90ies and 00ies was because WM refused to sell and just let them rot for decades. Otherwise theyd have been reverted back ASAP just like 0860 was in the early 70ies. And PB even had another mostly original P car already in his collection back then.

Im sure one of its next owners will sort out the various problems and inaccuracies in 0858 current state. Afterall monetary wise its likely just peanuts compared to the sale price of the car.

 

There is clearly more to converting a CAN AM back to P4 spec than merely exchanging their bodies.

The Talacrest P4 has been proven to have done this process poorly. It would be interesting to know if anyone has had the opportunity to see the standard of other conversions.

 

If the obvious misses the mark what else needs remediation?