Paul Walker from Fast and Furious died in a wreck...

Yes, could have. But there's no question excessive speed was involved here. The security cam video and the distance the parts rained down around the crash clearly shows this car was not going 35 MPH or anywhere close to that.

If the tire was worn, then there's really even less excuse. The driver owned the shop and it was his personal car. If anyone should have known the tires were shot, it should have been him or his crew. We are talking about pro's here, not someone who doesn't know anything about cars and tires.

Also, the power steering fluid on the street needs to be explained. It didn't get there from the crash.

 

Actually, if that was the actual condition of the tire seen in the still pic, it wouldn't have needed marbles. A CGT on worn tires lets you know it very fast.

Jas

 

I wouldn't drive with that tire over 50 mph let alone the speed they crashed at. Thats just common sense or should be unless you like gambling with your life.

 

The Video....of the actual crash moment..from security cameras..
appears to be in time lapse..
To save memory space this cameras captured images at an interval rate..which in turn makes everything appear to move faster when played back outright..
the smoke in this video , rises at a rate that is unrealistic for realtime photography..

Not saying he wasnt speeding excessively..just that the video is altered on purpose!.
could be anywhere from 1/2 second to 1 second intervals...or more..

look at the trees in the first 3 seconds of video, they move in violent fashion when they should flow easy.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4B44E6dkSU[/ame]

 

Yeah, the video is speeded up and intensifies the 'impact', which you don't actually see anyway.

NBC is reporting this...

Source

 

TMZ is reporting that a production company has obtained permits to shoot at the accident scene tonight.

 

What does that mean? A news production company, someone from the movie industry?

Sorry, I didn't get it.

 

You don't need permits to shoot news. This would either be for a documentary (Dateline NBC or similar), or a movie.

 

Thanks

 

That big of explosion at 45 mph the CGT is more dangerous than a Corvair or Pinto. Death trap .

 

Story on the news last night said that Porsche is cooperating with the departments investigating the wreck. Not sure what "Porsche cooperating" will amount to. Also one of the networks showed a clip from Top Gear magazine testing a Carrera GT, and it was a handful for them, on a open track.

 

While the tire tread here looks pretty bad.
I don't think it has anything to do with this crash. I've flatted on a racetrack at 150mph. The cars do pretty good thru the issue. Something else went wrong.

It wasn't power steering loss either as the power steering fluid (supposed) on the ground shows as this would only cause the car to lose power steering. It wouldn't cause the car to lose steering unless a tie rod or steering arm were to snap.

The were going to fast for the conditions. That's it.

No way 45 mph. That car couldn't push thru a pole and go 45ft or so and shatter into pieces around a tree at 45mph. That's a 80-100mph crash at the least.

 

are you insinuating conspiracy..
That damage at 45 would seem odd.

 

IMO it wasn't 80+mph.

I was struck in the drivers door by a car running a red light through an intersection and ended up driving right through (and knocking over) a huge aluminum light pole at less than 40mph in a 4th gen F-body. Car was destroyed and ended up over a hill about 50ft away from the pole.

Just saying that 45mph is still a significant amount of inertia for something that weighs as much as a car.

At 100mph I think it would have completely disintegrated.

Just my opinion.

 

I think the cops are not telling the real facts. At least 80 mph impact

 

Jas, good to see you back on Fchat although for a very sad topic.

If these were the tires when then went for a drive, then it could explain the crash. These tires look almost bald. Considering how the CGT likes to fishtail even with good tires, this was almost asking for it!

 

Hi pal, hope you guys are doing great !

You are right on the money. I let a set of rears go for just a bit too long once. I entered a 30mph left hand 90 degree turn with a decent amount of crown to the road. The car had felt jittery on the drive and sure enough snap oversteered on the hardened worn tires as one of them lost contact traversing the crown in the road (also due partly to the super rigid chassis)

I went out the next day and put Michelin Supersports on the car (same as the Ferrari GTO), completely transformed the rear into a planted sure footed beast wanting to be thrashed. If an Indy car champion who owns one tells me fresh rubber is vital to the Carrera GT, I tend to listen (although in my case I ignored the advice until my incident on a country road raised my intra-rectal pressure quite significantly). He reminds me about it a fair bit and thankfully we can share a laugh.

 

News reports that the skid marks near the scene left by cars doing burnouts or doughnuts do not match tires of the Porsche.

 

I am wondering how many whiffs of burning carbon fiber it would take to knock you out?

 

perhaps the tire blew at speed and resulted in immediate loss of control. tends to happen with tires worn such as that right rear.

 

I am not buying that this was a 45MPH crash. Doesn't the rear of the car look to be off axis from the front? In other words, didn't the carbon chassis separate at the bulkhead to some degree?

Also, I don't see how both occupants would have been knocked unconscious in a 45MPH wreck.

Was there an impact before the area that they ended up at? All the car bits scattered over the street make me wonder if they hit the light pole first and started the spin/ruptured the fuel line or power steering and then they spun to a rest against the tree...??? Pure speculation on my part but a big part of this doesn't make sense, especially when people are saying there was a power steering leak and it was only at 45MPH.

 

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone drawing the comparison to Vipers yet. It's basically the same thing, lots of horsepower + lack of electronic stability control and even ABS in the older models = lots of bad crashes. Even worse if you throw in bad tires, etc. But nobody is saying "design flaw" with the Viper. Maybe it's because you know what to expect in a Viper while in the CGT people are expecting better traction control than it actually has?

 

That's not a 45mph crash.

 

Yeah, cooperating with the investigation. Translation, legal defense team, accident recistrictionists, and PR department doing as much damage control as possible.

 

Once again - can we try to ignore the early reporting (notoriously inaccurate in most cases) and wait to discuss the facts in the case once they are made available? The news has been all over this in every direction and it is really pointless to waste time speculating.

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