Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

McLaren's handling of the entire mess is worthy of the US Federal Gov't!

 

Sounds like a wastegate opening & closing. My F40 makes a similar sound.

That whistling sound you hear from the outside, is from the aero design of the car creating massive downforce. You don't hear it from inside like you would if it was window joints.

 

Mclaren really have painted themselves into quite the corner thanks to a blundering PR department. They go to the ring to beat 7.00 then proceed to tell the world it would be promoting unsafe competition to release an actual time and then release a cheesy promotional video that proves nothing and if they ever did release an actual time, everything they have said thus far about the ring would be completely undermined.

So we are left in a position where Mclaren simply hope people trust their word? Yeah right. Good luck with that.

Please stay tuned for my moody promotional video at the ring with a dramatic voiceover by a semi famous english actor interspersed by a small child hitting the high notes in his singing range and some close cam, an assortment of foliage and some lovely long shots from the helicopter as I proceed to tell the audience that I lapped the ring in under 5.00 in a Skoda Octavia, trust me.

 

I guess any publicity is good publicity.

 

Quite amusing how, having claimed that the ring is too dangerous, McLaren chose to release a video showing their car being driven at 10 10ths round the track. Well it's quite ridiculous. So we all know they did it. We all know they drove it to the limit- and the video quite clearly shows that they weren't just doing development testing. So why the secrecy around the time? Makes no sense to me.

 

If Ferrari had released this video, they would be ripped apart, 'arrogant' etc, etc....
The P1 (or should we call it P2 for now), is undoubtebly faster than hell...but to help build the brand, sell cars etc, their marketing department really is not helping them at all.
If they set a new record, Mclaren would be trending all over the web right now...instead of the meager bump they will get today, that will be forgotten tkmorow...

 

I really don't get it why people here keep talking about P1's time...Srsly IMHO LaFerrari will beat the P1 on the Nurburgring.

 

If P1 beat the 918 I'm sure they would claim so and prove it. So they clearly lapped the ring in 6:58 or 6:59.

It's either that OR they didnt even achieve a sub-7 time, which would make them plain shameless liars.

 

Actually, they have made one statement relayed through TopGear that would serve to prove they eclipsed the time set by the 918.

Stealing from someone else who has already done the math, that figure of 111 mph works out like this:

111 mph = 49.62 m/s
Nordschleife = 20600 m

Lap time: 20600/49.62 = 415.16 s = less than 6 min 55.2 sec

But again, going back to the 111 mph figure they have qualified that with "in excess" which leaves open the distinct possibility that their average speed exceeded the number they are willing to mention.

Cue the naysayers.

>8^)
ER

 

McLarenCare?

 

To the guys commenting about the sound. This is advertising boys. Ain't nothing real about it. I wouldn't doubt the track and road sounds were made on a different road. Perfectly legit for advertising. The pop off sounds were definitely miked separately. If you notice there is no ambient noise.
Biggest indicator is the noise of the car as the chopper drops down over it. That must be one of those special McLaren choppers with no rotors. I've shot from numerous helicopters hundreds of times and you can't hear a damn thing in any of them. So don't read too much into the sound.


And an epiphany hit me just to give you guys something to piss over. I heard from a very (Wink, Wink) reliable source that McLaren hopped up the P-1 for the commercial.

On a serious note, I love the video , and the P-1 is looking better and better all the time. Especially the Black ones. And it does look amazingly fast and controlled.

 

Jesus, do you really expect the rest of the McLaren fan-boys to do that ridiculous equation and expect everyone else to take their word for it?

If the P1 did a time that was worth mentioning then McLaren would have told us. But they didn't. So they won't give us a time. End of.

The Porsche 918 is officially faster than the P1. No dispute from McLaren.

 

I think the video is very well done but would have benefitted by having time appear on screen after announcer says 'of course'

Regardless, the engine sounds unimpressive even if did a 6.00 lap. I would not want a turbo engine in any sports car over $200k. P1 sounds like the nismo gtr ring video. Give me high rpm and lots of cylinders

 

Oh look - there's one now!

>8^)
ER

 

What did you expect?

 

That's exactly what I expected. I might have even predicted he'd be first if I was being so bold.

>8^)
ER

 

Ignore feature works well

 

Yeah, I use it on a certain individual as well, unfortunately, when Erik quotes him, his comments come up. It is funny beside being negative to McLaren, he rarely contributes anything positive anyway. You never learn anything or gain anything from his posts.

 

I don't post much, but after reading most of the comments regarding the video I can't help but laugh. It really comes across as arrogant. Fact is, no one knows what the real time is - we only know it's under 7 sec. I spent a week of nothing but refreshing the computer when they were testing at the Ring waiting to see what they did. It was frustrating when they didn't release a time, but it didn't change the fact that it is a very, very fast car and, in my opinion, a super sexy one. If I had the cash I would own one in a heartbeat, regardless of the Ring time.

Funny thing is, I think the F70 looks ugly (a least in pictures). But as a Ferrari lover and owner of a Scud, I know that my thoughts on its looks don't change the fact that it is very, very fast car which some people find super sexy. But to talk crap about the P1 because they haven't released a Ring time is laughable. FWIW, I don't see Ferrari releasing a time - or do they not have to because they are Ferrari?

Later

 

Someone with a screenname as clever as yours should post more often.

>8^)
ER

 

Much of buying a car comes to an emotional decision. Especially a 1.25MM car, so I can more than understand an unjustified preference for anything. Thats just part of the nature of being human.

That being said, this statement reminds me of a classic late adopter, where only when the technology becomes blindingly obvious does the user transition. "Carbs worked fine, no need for complex injection..."; "Aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines"...

Turbos are the future. It IS the replacement for displacement. Get used to the noise, even Ferrari will be force-fed to use them (that's a pun).

 

If McLaren had spent the voiceover money for that video on some more R&D, I think they could have found those extra five seconds they were looking for.

 

If i were a ferrari fan i would seriously be embarrassed after reading these post. Regardless of the fact that there is no time and that mclaren messed up their PR, this car looks good and is very very fast. Your comments only show one thing and that is you guys are defensive. You don't want to admit that there is actually a chance that ferrari could have finally been trumped on this one.

 

A reactive defense is better than a useless offense. McLaren's PR department has been totally useless given the underdog status of the company. All of their moves thus far have been in complete contrast to anything related to the basic competition inherent in motorsport and its derivatives among the manufacturing world.

Edit: There are those of us who would love to see McLaren really come out with the big guns and hit all of their targets. Moving the game forward is good for everyone involved. But they still refuse to make definitive moves, and they continue to be evasive and coy. It's a shame.

 

I like the video and I support the approach of McLaren. Why official turning the competition-screw? What would happen if McLaren published an official time?

Everyone can see the P1 is brutally fast, I guess that is enough.

(btw: 6:33 with slicks and 6:47 with street tires )