David Piper restores the Talacrest P4

As far as I can tell he isn't banned and his account is still active.
As is he.

 

Yes but only as long as he does not comment on any threads associated with those companies, hence why he has not made any further posts on this thread, or off to Siberia his fchat account goes.

 

Quitcher*****in, that's why they pay you guys the big bucks!

 

All very commendable, but I always thought innocent until proven guilty worked on both sides of the Atlantic.

MuiraSV is adamant he has no affiliation to the companies in question, where is the evidence that he in fact does have?

No conspiracy theory here, if he comments on threads associated with those companies then he gets banned, thats a fact you have already confirmed.

Being a new user has little relevance to my interest in the matter.

For the record I fully appreciate that moderating a big site such as this is a thankless task.

 

Sounds like a very sensible way of resolving the matter I will comment no more.

I imagine this thread will die now anyway unless the new owner starts to bring 0858 out to play

 

First of all let's hope the new owner brings out his new car to play.It would be a shame for this beauty to be hidden away. I would encourage the car to be shown with the Can Am body right next to it and an informative poster displayed with the provenance of the car. Let's also hope this car also takes a prominent place in competitive track events. This is where the car was designed to live and where as a P series car was most successful and where it can be shown and appreciated to the fullest. My opinions are well known and though others don't agree, their opinions have every right to be expressed and exposed and open for judgment by all. Let the book remain open and debated. tongascrew

 

This would be like a woman carrying around her C cup implants for show and tell after she's replaced them with D's. (Of course if she just wants to show and tell the new D's I wouldn't mind.)

 

At the risk of opening this thread up again and repeating much of what went before I would be interested to read your opinion on the final result as way back in this thread you mentioned the final result would be as accurate as possible.

Do you still hold this view based on the final finished car?

 

then why did you risk it? FINIS

 

Good question!! tongascrew

 

My opinions need not be repeated. Read them. And to answer your question.Yes. tongascrew

 

I have a feeling that it's going to take a silver bullet and a wooden stake to kill this thread.

 

To be fair Jim you yourself have stated that Ferrari have made mistakes in the past with regards to the history of various cars - I seem to recall something about damage to the tail currently fitted to 0846 from when it was on 0858 ??????

Could simply be another mistake, oversight, lack of records etc?

 

Very True
BUT one could equally argue that under the Can Am is a P4
Its all a matter of perspective / point of view


I do find it interesting that no one seems to be slating Pierre Bardinon and #0860


The bottom line is this 'putting back to a specific point in time' is a regular thing with historic racers and is usually well accepted. I'm not sure why people see this as any different (bar the fact the body whilst accurate is being made with the wrong tools)


btw sorry if this reopens a can of worms,but both posts posit questions/statements I haven't seen answered before

 

I think if Bardinon were rebodying his car today, with the internet and discussion forums and the knowledge we have of these cars, and the prices they have achieved... He would get similar criticism.

At least from me.

 

No as when Ferrari reused blocks and changed their typo's the original stampings remained as per the photo's I posted. There is also the very troubling issue that a 350 can Am engine with the exact same number is also in Piper's "0900" replica.

I agree that if 0860 would have been P4'd today instead of closer to the day it would suffer the same discussion as 0858.

 

That, or moving the thread to healthcare.gov, then nobody can access it

P&R DISCLAIMER: the above is intended to be a technology joke -- it is not a political statement.

 

Who made you the 'name god' ?

Earlier in this thread world renowned Ferrari expert Marcel Massini referrered to a car he knows of as a 'genuine250 GTO fitted with a 4litre engine'

At no point did he call it a 330 GTO (ditto the 250 Cali's with 3.8's)

 

I can see that
I'm just intrigued that the same level of vitriol hasn't been given to #0860 whenever its been mentioned here.

And that is spot on advice

 

With this car its very different.....I dont why but it is. Different standards apply to this car than to the rest of the vintage world. Thats what you can learn from this thread.

- This car has more genuine Ferrari content than about 80% of surviving racers from this era - yet its called a replica.

- People get nuts over a couple more or less original panels on racing cars, yet these are the same people who think these cars must be raced today. Of course how long will an original body last on a tracked car??!!

etc. etc.

 

Well colour me surprised, 80% original yet it has a brand new body....

I will however concede this horse has been beaten past the point of death, many pages ago.

Me, I hope the new owner drives it and enjoy its but I am also thankful there cars like 0854 around.