Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Claims are easy to make. What actual evidence do you have to substantiate your claim?

Exactly. The stories created to make individuals feel better seem to be coming from the biggest Mclaren fans than anywhere else at this point I'm afraid.

 

I've had the benefit of knowing their lap time since mid-October. I don't have the proof you would want, but I don't need it either. I am sorry if my position as a McLaren enthusiast being well recognized by individuals within the company gives me an unfair advantage when it comes to the sharing of information, but I'm not going to temper my comments just because some people don't (or would prefer not to) believe what I say.

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They never said they achieved that speed average, only that that's the average speed needed to complete a sub-7 lap.

I was there with them, after Chris posted the time I had a go and did a sub 6:40 lap.

 

If Ron had kept his big mouth shut in the first place then nobody would be bothered about this. You shouldn't make claims that your car is going to "break all the records" and then, when it fails to do so, act as if the aforementioned records are suddenly of no importance.

Does anyone disagree?

 

If Ron had kept his big mouth shut in the first place then nobody would be bothered about this. You shouldn't make claims that your car is going to "break all the records" and then, when it fails to do so, act as if the aforementioned records are suddenly of no importance.

Does anyone disagree?

 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you appear to have nothing but hurt feelings and excuses.

So far we have a promotional video and your explanation that you know a bloke who knows a bloke.

Well done Porsche. Claimed something...proved it. No chinese whispers, no promotional video nonsense, no BS articles about safety and no 'insiders' on the internet making grand claims.

 

Mclaren has an inferior system to that used by Ferrari and Porsche .
Porsche and Ferrari have an electronically controlled limited slip differential that works with torque vectoring ( brake steer in mclaren language ) . Mclaren simply use an open diff and brake steer , an inelegant solution and incidentally my major gripe with the 12c.
This is why they are more natural feeling ( especially with safety systems disengaged ) than mclarens . I believe one of the reasons the 458 "feels" so much better even though it is slower ( at least in a straight line ) than the 12c .
A glaring omission from mclaren , not worth the (25 odd kg )weight they claim to save . It's fine getting from a to b fast in a road car , but HOW you get there is even more important .

Now that mclaren have released a video ( that means bugger all by the way ) does that mean the ring is safe again ? Can I go back there next year ?

 

Agreed.

Moreover, as far as I know, Porsche never claimed a sub 7-min lap time. They just went out and did it.

McLaren's attitude, whether they did a sub 7-min lap or not, wins them little sympathy.

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1VdQxaL2G4]Mclaren spying on Ferrari - YouTube[/ame]

 

When asked about what this awesome time means to the 918, Müller said “That means this car will be a huge – huge – milestone for Porsche. One year ago we had a target of 7:20-7:22 or something. Last week one of our engineers drove one lap in 7:14. The record is 7:11. So I suppose at the end of the year, we will have a new record at the Nürburgring.” The record in question is not the overall record, but rather the major automaker record, now held by the 2010 Viper ACR.

Müller was later asked how fast he thinks the 918 Spyder can lap the `Ring and he replied “If we’re lucky, it will be under 7minutes… but, I don’t know, we’ll see.”

Porsche Shooting For Sub-7-Minute Time Around The Nürburgring For The 918 Spyder - Top Speed

 

HYSTERICAL!

Those screens the Scuderia boys put up should each have a huge picture of Luca wagging his finger in disapproval!

 

Funny that the McLaren F1 team doesn't seem to agree with their road cars department.

 

McLaren should communicate straight forward about their results at the Nordschleife, or not communicate at all. Now we have to calculate laptimes based upon information no one can verify? Surely McLaren should take a page from the Porsche book: If you have something to mention about whatever happened on the Nordschleife, show it to the world with firsthand information.

McLaren is making a joke of the car and it's doing it all by itself. Some one in the communicationsdepartment should be fired on the spot.

 

I think they are pretty pleased with their recent communications on the subject - if the end of the video didn't give you the impression of their attitude in all of this then I don't know what will.

They have been straightforward - they have said they set a target of beating the 7:00 lap time which at the time they made the statement would have meant a new record. Now they are back to say, "Did we? Of course we did." What could be more clear?

The fact that they have left you and so many others wanting more kinda proves the point that their approach is working.

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Ferrari just did a 6:12 at the nurburgring . In the snow .
One of my friends who once had an espresso in a cafe near a shop that sold tacky ferrari underwear told me .
He got it from someone in the know !

Surely that's enough for you all?

 

Wanting more and wanting actual proof are two entirely different things.

Perhaps only those that aren't completely blinded by loyality to a particular brand can truly know that.

 

McLaren, nor I, are losing any sleep over your skepticism.

Keep in mind, I am still the person who said long before this game began that the lap times don't matter. I guess to some people they do, but given the facts of the situation I struggle to understand why.

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Given R.Dennis's comments and their efforts at the ring, lap times clearly matter to the company you claim to be an insider for.

The only fact that is important, given the above, is that the company has made a bold claim it has provided zero evidence to support.

Let them be judged accordingly.

 

Don't treat me like I am an idiot as McLaren is treating anyone with a remote interest in the subject.

If they want to communicate about their results on the Nordschleife they should do a press release with the exact time with the onboard video to go with it. That is all.

Porsche: Go out at the Nordschleife. Come back with a result. Tell the world in a straightforward manner with the video to go with it. Good.

Ferrari: Go out at the Nordschleife. Are quiet, yet not secretive about it. Do what they wanted to do. Shut up about it and go on with developing the car. Good.

McLaren: Make a huge fuss about whatever they want to achieve at the Nordschleife, go out there and then fail to just tell the world what they exactly or shut the hell up about it. Suddenly laptimes don't matter. Did they even bring a stopwatch? Bad. If you feel that is acceptable from a communications point of view, then we couldn't disagree more.

 

FTFY

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Seems relevant to me...

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wasn't Mc done talking? didn't they already say everything they had to say? ie. ring lap times are stupid, we will never reveal a lap time. every day, a little more of this and that is 'leaked' 'relayed' etc,,,

Mac right now is a train wreck in slo mo. a bad soap opera. so much for letting the 'most amazing' car ever speak for itself. you don't see Porsche 'relaying' tidbits.

I can't wait to see what the 918 can really do with all systems optimized. when they do get back there and run it again, there won't be any BS either.

relaying 'average speed', terminal v max at pt a b c d..etc, so the rest of the world can make the calculations...the stupidest getting dumber and stupider

as per the Nismo GTR...impressive no matter how you cut it. a fat pig with only 600hp embarrassing plenty of the so called sand box bullies.

 

I don't have any great insight into their future marketing plans but it would equally not surprise me if this video was or was not the last we heard from them about the P1 at the Ring. As someone else put it more succinctly the message seems to be 'Nice job Porsche. Your move Ferrari.' from the team at McLaren. If Ferrari never make that move McLaren probably won't either.

The good news is that if they do change course again and eventually choose to release their lap time you can all blast them for being hypocrites once again.

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICRWf5A2fuQ]The McLarenP1? unveil in Geneva - YouTube[/ame] Why McLaren fans always want to get away that sentence? It clearly isnt as you guys say... put the video on 9:02 and enjoy

Il quote Ron: " This is gonna be the fastest car in the world, and that includes whats gone before today and what will come after"

 

The real question to you then is, if say Ferrari were to release a cheesy promotional video about how they beat 6.30 at the ring without any actual hard proof, will that be enough for you to concede that both Mclaren and Porsche have been beaten on that track if another 'insider' were to reveal on the forum that he knows a bloke who knows a bloke at Ferrari HQ?

Think about it.