Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

You have been misinformed. The first P1 deliveries began in October.

Al Ain Class Motors is not an authorised McLaren dealer so why would they be given a show car? It is for sale, whether you want to believe it or not.

 

And Im saying that's how they are timed , it's industry standard . For manufacturers and sport auto ; you can't change facts to suit your purposes .

I can't go into this again with you , you are weeks behind . This has all been covered mate . If you are interested go to pistonheads , it's covered in detail , timed etc on a thread there , good luck .

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z07BO5CIpbE

 

Does anyone know when 918 Spyder deliveries begin?

 

Net worth does not correlate to driving skill. I know plenty of well-to-do individuals who can't drive and vice versa.

 

thats my point. in fact i would argue that net worth is inversely correlated to driving skill.

 

Between Christmas and the new year is planned according to a few journo's.

 

BTW I tried to quickly verify myself about this, the thing is that I couldn't find any of the 918 record videos with an on-screen timer, or at least indication where/when the timed lap starts and finishes.

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV8aNwEBPTQ]918 Spyder at the Nordschleife - YouTube[/ame]

First lap of Marc Lieb with a mistake at Karussell.

 

Well if they had a time of 7:04 in August (which I still stipulate was unsubstantiated rumor) then Frank claiming they were the King then would have been factual as the 918's lap time of 6:57 was not recorded until early September. At that point all they had in the bag was 7:14 from the prior year.

The post I was referencing from you was made in late October when they had been back to the Ring and had set a MUCH better time than any 7:04.

AJ is correct -this is not a factory car it is a customer car - chassis 062 - that has appeared on the Alain Class website.

However, this is not a car that is likely to be for sale, but rather a promotion to generate attention for the dealership - one that happens to be working quite well.

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Erik, Santa Clause told me that LaFerrari did a 6:15 Lap on the n ring so P1 is clearly slower. And I'm sure Santa is very well informed.

 

Cute - but my information comes from real human sources. People who I have met and communicate with somewhat frequently. It's also corroborated by information released by more official channels in the company via media release or interview.

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Didn't know Santa Clause was a Ferrari insider.

 

If they had failed at the ring do you honestly think they would convey that to (no disrespect intended) somebody who is little more than an enthusiast of their company?

They have no reason to tell you the truth and every reason to protect the project.

 

The McL F-1 was a BMW V-12 modified engine.

The McL Formula 1 cars have used a variety of engines, including Mercedes-Ilmor.

Today, McLaren does team up with Ricardo to pruduce engines and I think it was based on a Nissan Engine.

 

If they had not achieved their goal they wouldn't have said a word. They have no reason to lie to the world (or me) either.

You are welcome to remain a skeptic. I am not here to convince anyone of something they don't want to believe.

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They have no reason to bend the truth regarding this project, into which they have invested vast fortunes, if they hadn't achieved their goal?

That is very naive. Again, do you honestly think they would of told you, a mere enthusiast, if they had failed?

Sometimes people only hear what they want to hear.

 

Let's go back to an earlier statement McLaren made to PistonHeads:

"Without a sub-seven lap time, we probably won't even mention we were at the Nurburgring."

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"I do not accept that we deserved to be penalised in this way," said Dennis. "Today's evidence given to the FIA by our drivers, engineers and staff clearly demonstrated that we did not use any leaked information to gain a competitive advantage." R.Dennis

When it comes to business Mclaren have form for trying to bend the truth.

 

Now you are just being dishonest.

Do you honestly believe that statement is true? (it isn't) And do you believe that it is accurate? (it isn't, by a long shot.)

They mentioned it a lot when they ran a 7:04.

And going to the ring--especially if you are a car manufacturer, is impossible to hide. Do you really think they could keep something like that quiet.

This misstatement--another in a long line of simply incredible statements--is more fodder for those who are doubters.

Every time you try to convince us that this is a done deal, you end up raising more questions.

 

Excuse me, but I'm not sure you have really been paying close attention here. Barring Ron's boasting in Geneva they mentioned nothing publicly about the Ring until after they had their lap time in late October.

They have also never commented on the rumored time of 7:04 which was only reported by one blog, and then went viral. That was not news generated by or supported by McLaren in any way.

You are twisting the meaning of that statement - they never denied they were there. What I quoted is pretty clear - without a sub-7:00 lap time there would be no official statements on their results. Coupled with that quote was this one:

But when we asked McLaren we were told, perhaps unsurprisingly, "It is all just purely speculation. There is no secret that a car is over in Germany at the moment with a team of development engineers, who are working on calibrations and final tuning, but no lap times of any circuits have been set."

This was at the point when PistonHeads were trying to get confirmation on the rumored lap time of 6:47.

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Dennis back in the dock as McLaren are charged over lying controversy | Mail Online

 

These two statements can not be true, simultaneously. Because at the time they made the second statement, by your own admission, there was no lap time.

 

You really love to split hairs, don't you?

The two statements were made in the same conversation - mentioning of the Nurburgring means some official 'tell the world' moment like a press release or the video you enjoyed.

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