I think I'm done with Ferrari

It does not matter how many people on this thread agree with you. This is not a popularity contest.

Of course Ferrari can improve. All companies can. The point is that they are managing their business well and have never managed it better. They are not mass market. They are marketing a product that is unique and in limited supply relative to demand. If you don't like the bad that comes with that, move along and buy a different product. They do have customers waiting in your place as you noticed when you cancelled you F12 order.

This IS their business model and it is working fabulously. Never better!

I also have had a taste of the less than warm customer service and sky high pricing. Net/ Net... The product is still worth it to me and many others.

Porsche makes great products, in most cases without limiting supply. Their cars are bullet proof. Or you can buy American junk that is a relative performance bargain. Or you can buy an older classic car. Buy what you like and buy something else!

 

I was "nearly" going to give Ferrari the flick when the car refused to start for days, I was over the finicky, temperamental side of the car, but then a simple fix and bang she's off again and I'm back in love.

This stupid car reminds me of so many women I have lived with , beautiful, PITA, unfathomable, simplistic and an anachronistic animal few understand but many enjoy the sight of.

I can see how some lose the faith but divorce is harmful to the soul, let alone the financial strain

 

Back to their roots? This has been their practice since (and before) I purchased my first new Ferrari in 1989.

I think they have perfected THEIR way of doing business.

Funny analogy regarding the purse. Yes, limited edition luxury items are actually also flippable just like the Ferrari's that you hardly drove and quickly sold.

They didn't just change... You did!

 

Trust me they won't miss you.....

My suggestion is for you to focus on Mini Cooper and the world will be a better place for everyone.

 

I think you have moved outside the market or it outside you. Ferrari sure seems to enjoy a strong brand and premium pricing from aspirational buyers who indeed want that Chanel purse. The Ferrari is IMO primarily a personal reward for financial success, or peacock feathers, or an object of beauty or a toy that sounds great and goes fast, or a fashion accessory or som combination of the above and the very wealthy have never been wealthier. Hence enough people who always wanted one or whose attention turns to cars can afford them and I honestly think the "thank you sir, may I have another" dealer treatment makes the Ferrari more desirable. Given the pricing, new and used, and the queuing up to buy Ferraris, it sure seems like plenty of folks want them and I see no real end in sight, absent a huge economic downturn.

Personally, I agree with you in most ways and that is why I have never purchased a new Ferrari and likely never will. But I also think I am not in Ferrari's target market. I am a bit eccentric (OK, more than a bit) and won't spend more money for something slower than the competition that I have to justify with subjective superlatives. The product is great and just like a Patek watch is impossible to explain, so just go with whatever you like.

 

Finally I agree with you!

 

Fifty ****ing pages? Really?

 

Wanting material things is not necessarily a bad thing. Never rewarded yourself with a cookie or chocolate bar for having done many hours of long revision? Never celebrated a great exam result by going out to dinner? Challenges and rewards come in all sizes, and a Ferrari seems like it could be on the larger end of the scale. You cannot justify such a purchase by any rational means, as a car it is expensive to buy and maintain, so why not just call it a personal indulgence to be enjoyed at a time in your life when you feel you've both earned it and can afford it? One certainly does not need to be Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, or Carlos Slim to do so.

However, I understand why you bristle at the idea that it could be thought of as something to show off in an attempt to make others think you have somehow arrived on the social scene. I intend to one day buy a 348 to reward myself, though it certainly won't be for putting on airs. Rather, it'll be a personal indulgence for no other reason than my own selfish happiness to possess it, drive it, and at times let pure joy burst out as hysterical laughter on deserted roads where I don't imagine anyone will know who I am - to hell with whatever the neighbours might think.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

I got the answer for you.

What about .....


Remember: A Dino is NOT a Ferrari. It's better.

cheers

 

A Ferrari IS about driving passion. At least to the people that drive them. You recently had 3 Ferraris. How long did you own them? How many miles did you drive them?

Nice purse? Please look in the mirror.

Again you are a great guy. That much is obvious. But you have soured. Nothing changed with Ferrari or the planet. You and your negativity will not dent my enthusiasm for the marque. Hopefully, you won't sour others as well.

 

you will last long here...you are clearly the very helpful type.

 

OK, let's de-escalate a tad.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

I suspect that if you look at the demographic of Persons who buy new Ferraris with any regularity that you and I are pikers. Everyone I personally know who has bought a new Ferrrari of late has a 7 figure income. And most are business owners or older professionals.

 

Cognitive dissonance explains why most Ferrari owners have no problem accepting poor quality cars. They begin to justify their bad decision, believing the lies that were sold to them. The lie becomes reality. Suddenly the reason for their buy is about soul, heritage etc. Nevermind the POS delivered to them. Ferrari is well aware of this, hence why it doesn't care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=korGK0yGIDo

 

Bit of a smartass? Do you understand how luxury items work? Any business that rides the brand and doesn't deliver on the service, the story, and the premise of the purchase for an extended period of time will eat s***.

Rich people have a lot of disposable income. That is not the same as willing to throw away money on anything that moves.

 

Funny, but true. Most on here know how aggressively you have always defended the brand and their practices. Not that any of that matters. Everyone grows and changes and all that matters is how you feel. Such is life...

 

While I do think cognitive dissonance is at work, but the product is excellent, just not THAT excellent at least in terms of price/performance.

 

If you don't think that part of the reason you bought yourself a $300k vehicle is a reward for your wealth then I don't think you are being entirely honest with yourself. And if you prefer "financial success" or some other moniker for "I can finally afford it" my point is that the means plus the enthusiasm is part of the equation.