Rubbish paint again

I wonder of those excessive peaks and valleys are the result of too MUCH clear coat application. They must have done a paint thickness measurement before starting; I wonder if it was thicker than normal/spec.

 

My god the memories of detailing that car... I actually have turned down all similar work... 3-4 years later and that ghost still haunts me..

 

Pretty sure in most class actions, the complainants were not forced to buy the product. Not all, perhaps, but most. What difference does the price make? I'm not saying that should happen, but still don't know what difference that nobody forced anyone to buy it makes.

 

Looks beautiful though!

 

many Ferraris, new, go to the 'fixit shop' and you would be VERY surprised to find whom they use and just how little the detail is considered after their 'fix'. Even the factory dealership, FofSF, back in the day had several at any given time at the shop. I know, because I used their 'recommended' shop when I had a sideswipe.

That San Rafael shop looked no better than a hole in the wall.

 

Wow that's amazing.

This is an excellent thread!

 

I bought a new Rossa Corsa 328 in 1989. There were paint problemS on the car. I had a big drip line on the driver door. There was also an area the size of a baseball that was shallow, like a puddle. The current fit and finish is light years better today. Due to environmental issues the paint has been changed causing different problems, like orange peel. Therefore, it's apples and oranges comparing two different types of paint. If you spend any time studying the older cars and compare them to the moderns you will see that massive strides in quality improvement have occurred. Yes, they can do better but one has to keep a proper perspective.

My new 458 has orange peel. Otherwise, the paint job is spectacular and net/ net, clearly an improvement from the past.

 

I'm not trying to argue with you but... it should be better and I think most here would agree with that. Traveler bought a new F12 for probably close to 400 grand US. I think he deserves better.

"Improvement" isn't good enough when you're starting at such a low bar.

The number one complaint from new car owners? Paint and fit and finish. My 2 458's had the front fender out of line by 1/4 inch in the fender wells. To me, unacceptable. A Kia does a better job.

 

Traveler is showing us what the real potential is. It's too bad he has to do it himself.

 

I'm sorry but orange peel is THE definition of a terrible paint job.

I'm not a concourse person BY FAR, but when I buy a €250k car I want the paint to be in good condition to the visible eye (which orange peel is). I couldn't give 2 flying f's if swirl marks are visible when I apply some lights I don't own, that's for the detailing crowd so it doesn't bother me.

But orange peel is unacceptable even to me. Not acceptable in this day and age, and shouldn't be celebrated because 25 years ago your 328 was painted in the manner of throwing a bucket of paint on it and hope it applied to all panels.

 

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I agree , Just a shame it has to be done by the customers.

They (ferrari) really should be setting the standard for others to only dream of achieving.

 

The 1/4 inch thing is unbelievable.

I can't believe what I am reading in this thread... BIG disappointment about ferrari...

So all those videos "How a ferrari is made" are pure BS... they are almost explaining that each car is examined with a microscope before leaving the factory...

 

Traveler offered an opportunity for those who have experienced paint problems to bring the matter to the attention of the company in a positive, respectful fashion. Almost no one took advantage of it. So it seems that there is more posturing and b***hing than any willingness to take action.

 

There are different degrees of orange peel. I have only looked at my car once in person at the dealership. Therefore, I need more time with the car to comment further. If as I suspect, the orange peel is minor (in other words, you have to really look for it to see it) and the paint is otherwise perfect, I will be happy. Would I be happier with no orange peel. Of course. I discussed my car with Todd Helme whom did the full wet sand on the 458 which was linked in this thread. He did not recommend that I go to the lengths your going to if my car was going to be used. He said if it's for a museum or show competition then yes, otherwise, NO. He's the expert.

 

According to Todd Cooperider, one of the best paint correction experts...

"Do Ferraris have a lot of orange peel? Yes. But having said that, so do many other manufacturers. Orange peel does not mean poor quality paint.".

"Now for the orange peel...do right by the car, think of preservation, and leave it alone! I do not condone the use of sanding to "flatten" the paint on OEM finishes. You typically need to remove 15-25 microns of paint to accomplish this, and you shouldn't remove more than about 8 microns over the life of the car. When you remove too much clear, it can become unstable...leading to future clearcoat failure (cracking, peeling, fading, etc). Sure it looks pretty, but at what cost?"

Therefore, I believe you are flat out wrong.

 

Rolls: Per themayor...

Don't get me wrong. Your car WAS an abomination. You have every right to complain.

 

Are RR's corrected and polished at the factory in keeping with their "hand built" reputation?

Edit: quick Google results talk of "hand polishing". This could explain why finish is so much better than on cars by RR owner BMW, which has to be, in my opinion, worst offender for orange peel. Note that BMW use same paint supplier as Ferrari, PPG.

 

Topaz is opposite an F main dealer, who also have an RR franchise. They get those cars through regularly. Saw a Wraith there when I picked up my FF (in there every six months), first example in the country and it got the treatment.

FWIW Tim, I didn't put my name forward, despite my car having more orange peel than Del Monte prior to Topaz doing there thing, as the FF may be my last Fcar, so not a lot of point.