Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

I really did - most younger people don't even wear a watch today. The majority that find them appealing seem to do so for the cachet it might bring them, hence why there are also so many fakes in the market and why lately I'm constantly seeing photos of someone's wrist in front of their steering wheel.

There are plenty of effective ways to tell time, which as I recall is the functional aspect of a watch. Anything else is just for show and no matter how fascinating someone may find the engineering of whatever complex movement is inside, for me the thought of paying thousands upon thousands of dollars for a watch when you can still say "Hey buddy, what time is it?" for free just boggles the mind sometimes.

That said, I do own a watch that I find to be impressive which I acquired myself and was certainly not inexpensive. I have worn in on a few special occasions but most of the time it stays in its case. Even when worn, I am not sure I have ever looked at it to see what the time was though - yup, useless to me.

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P1 huge front windshield gives look of receding hairline, balding scalp, the back end Is too low relative to rear windshield slope angle and canopy height...giving impression of a butt drooped and dragging along the street. Bubble too forward wide, too high and long vs the height of beltline = goofy 3/4 views...both front and rear. Face on at the front...car looks like goofy cartoon character smiling with a mouth guard in place ready for a football game or a MMA fight. Design is classic case of 'thinking waaaay too hard'. I don't buy the 'reasoning'...ie, all about aero efficiency coming first and 'design' second. The car is obviously 'styled' to within an inch of its life. "McLaren Design language" beauty is in and of function first and foremost. Yeah, sure, whatever.

LaF 'too much of a refreshed Enzo'...you weren't trying to be funny I'm sure, but that's just silly. Properly Ferrari, Proper Italian 'exotic' design.

'918 is just ugly'. That statement is....errr, wow, just wow...

 

May I ask why you want an F1 according to your Profile?

I mean heck a $6000 Kia can get you to the grocery just as easily.

 

If getting to the grocery were the single function of an automobile then you might have a point.

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I might? Please explain.


What can you do in a f1 you can't in a Kia? Please don't say 0-60 blah blah.

 

I can't believe a car guy would say this.

Go get a VW Jetta and quit talking about fast cars.

 

I'm completely opposite of you...as far as 'utility' is concerned. For me, usage is simple...to tell time, and because it offers me a weird kind of 'comfort' I use it as a 'when I'm awake' accessory of sort. That said, I'm not a consumer that is driven by the item's external symbolism. I couldn't care less about what it says to the world...or what the world thinks of me when seeing it on me. Impressing someone ELSE via it's price, rarity, brand, etc? NOOOOO. I have a nice and 'cheap' TAG Carrera that I was lucky enough to acquire for half off (even then I felt a bit stupid paying such money). It is the watch that I wear day to day. The only watch that I put effort into 'getting and using'. I'm not a collector or aficionado...I don't know anything about boutique brands, models, etc. I have no idea what the 'cool kids' have and the moneys involved. Digital disposables have dominated most of my life (practical for a paid athlete). The TAG? I just love the way it looks and feels on my wrist. I like looking at a neat assembly of crystals, leather, and alloys and I really like the strange warmth from leather, glass and metal. My 'smart' phone? I just make phone calls/text. I don't play with it, nor do I live my life 'In, Out, or Through' it. During a typical day, my watch is always on me, but my phone is randomly within reach or out of reach.

absolutely NO: complete reliance on a device to keep life in check, or any sort of addiction...a habit...necessary and perpetual distraction. I realize that more and more people (their lives) are increasingly becoming boxed in by gadgets, and I'm constantly aware that I don't want that. Simply... I'm just an individual that would rather look at a watch to tell time (has been a lifelong habit) , instead of instantly reaching for my phone/tablet/etc. ...now back to cars.

 

How much different is the relevant performance of one watch to another - now factor that against the difference in cost - what are you really getting for all that extra money? Sometimes less as the original poster who sparked this tangent pointed out.

Keep in mind, I am not talking about the talent and the effort required to produce a great watch as some are certainly more sophisticated than others and I do respect those engineering aspects - I am talking about the results. Half the watches that are considered valuable have to be wound on a daily basis to even perform their most basic task - talk about rudimentary. In general, every watch does pretty much the same thing and provides near identical results (except what your friends might think) regardless of cost, and some are tremendously, eye-wateringly expensive. Personally I don't see the point of that.

That's not true with automobiles. The F1, especially at today's values is a bit silly to compare, but in general when you purchase a more expensive automobile you really are getting more for your money in the way of performance, technology, creature comforts, safety, efficiency and ultimately value. That was definitely true of the F1 in its day.

Look, I get that a lot of people, especially here on FerrariChat, probably own a number of expensive watches, like how they look and feel good wearing them, maybe even just for themselves and not what their friends think. There are also people who think that a round of golf is a great use of their time and that bird watching is an exciting hobby. Is it so wrong that I don't agree with any of that?

No, it isn't - unless maybe you are watch loving, golf fanatic who brings along binoculars to stare at the birds while the rest of your foursome finishes the hole.

There is a user here named Bart who finishes every post with "12 cylinders or walk" which has always made me smile - I certainly get the emotional aspects. I have experienced several V12s myself from BMW, MBZ, Aston, Ferrari and of course the F1's and won't argue that it is not a sweet way to make power. However, with technology advancements and these new game-changing hybrid drivetrains filtering into high end performance cars today, to suggest it still remains the ideal solution under every circumstance is really false and people will come to realize that sooner than later, and we can all cry about the demise of the V12 together while we revel in what's new... except for Bart.

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I must have missed the memo informing every car guy that they have to be a watch guy too. #ohwell

Also, a VW is very nearly the last brand of car I would buy. Another of my friends is initiating the Lemon Law buy back process on his GTI as of last week - I think its the 5th one I have been personally aware of and I can't say the same for any other brand.

Now we're going way off topic. Maybe someone could offer a factual inaccuracy about the P1 for Mark or I to correct; maybe someone can offer unbridled praise for the LaFerrari so that giacomodiroma can attempt to subtly ridicule them; or perhaps someone should say something slightly negative about the 918 and we can keep this thread going with a new reply from wtdoom.

You know: Rinse, repeat if desired...

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When we make these expensive and unnecessary purchases (cars, watches, etc.) we do it because it makes us happy. I don't own a fancy car and have never bought a high end watch, but when I do I will do it because the product makes me happy or at least I think it will make me happy.

I have an omega seamaster that my dad gave me. It was his and he gave it to me recently. Its beat up has tons of scratches and it's in terrible cosmetic condition. I don't care because it makes me happy to wear it. My phone does a better job with time and a $25 timex will do way more than my watch. I also have no intentions of getting rid of it because I enjoy it more than I will ever enjoy a timex.

A cars ultimate purpose is to get you from point a to b. Buying a ferrari makes ZERO sense because there are thousands of cars that can get you from point a to be by saving more gas, carrying more cargo, and doing it safer. These are the things that matter to 99.9% of the public. We are a different breed that want to have a smile on our face while we do it so we opt to spend more money on something that sucks at gas mileage, cargo, and safety.

So people will drive somewhere in their $300k car, get out and look at their $20k watch and they will do that because it makes them happy. The benefit outweighs the cost thus giving the object value to the owner. The F1 does not have a lot of value to me since I don't have a huge desire to own one since I think something else can get the job done better for me. Meaning the f1 doesn't make me smile as much as other cars do.

Everyone has something they enjoy that makes no sense to do but they do it anyway because it is something to look forward to and keeps us going.


I'm not attacking you Peloton, just explaining why I love watches and cars despite the extra cost

P1 sucks. LaF is better and always will be. Ring times are irrelevant. Mclaren sucks at PR.
Now we are back on topic!!!!

 

fun pic, for us aero geeks
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The P1's diffuser looks much more like the F2003-GA's than it does this (current) Mclaren F1 car.

 

Dont try to anger me TheDuke. When ever some one say that one of these hyper machines sux (I dont like use those words like you), it just make me think how uninformed they must be. How stupid this sound…
Mozart sux. Beethoven is better and always will be. Symphonies are irrelevant. Mozart sux at concert.
Educate you self man!

 

Well, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Pagani and Mercedes beg to differ. The V12 will live on.

 

you really don't have any sense of humor, have you?

 

Hahahaha!

 

I don't know wether you like to come across as so pompous or it's accidental , regardless it's amusing .
When I correct a "factual inaccuracy " I'm defending something negative re the 918 but anything regarding the p1 and you and mark are only " correcting a factual inaccuracy " .

Double standards , you know : rinse , repeat if desired .

 

Now that LaFs are being delivered, are we going to see any road tests appearing?

 

Hahahahaha!

 

+ lol

 

Only when a very brave owner decides to risk his 2 million Euros hypercar...

 

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Understanding an inherent quality about something doesn't preclude you from enjoying that something.

A watch is pretty useless in this day and age--my iPhone is always in my back pocket.

If you live in a big city, a car is relatively useless as well--Jetta, F1, P1, LaF, or 918. Public transportation is everywhere. My legs are pretty good at transportation, too...

Just because I see these aspects of watches and cars doesn't mean I don't appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into the higher examples of either. I would argue that it actually frees me up to enjoy those aspects more...

 

It wasn't that you are not a watch guy, but rather your reason for it. You can ask someone the time???? Well, you can take a cab anywhere you want to go.

You don't have to be a watch guy to appreciate the discipline to make a fine instrument.

 

Watch making is a craft that is inspiring. Much like cars were in the 50-60's. Not now. They aren't inspiring.

Watches you either love or don't get. I'll never criticize someone for not getting the fascination that can be inspired by a tiny machine that can run forever on your wrist. In many cases can tell you the exact date for 100's of years in a perpetual calendar without ever being helped by man.

This a crafted hand made machine in a pint size container. If you don't get inspired a little about this I don't get it honestly. Men like machines. Men should be impressed by this as much as a $1 million dollar car doing 7 minute laps at the Ring. I use 7 minutes in General as only one of these 3 has PROVEN its gone below. Watches are engineering masterpieces when done correctly.

Yes you then add Golds or Platinums to make them a little fancier but in all even the most basic watch (excluding crap I dislike, all Quartz) are a great little tool. No batteries, No outside power source at all unless a hand wound that needs a daily little bit of Attention.


Now your car example. Some are crafted better. Most are almost identical. This thread is about 3 that a very similar except in looks. All with similar speed shape fit and finish though I'd argue the Porsche will top the others in the F and Finish department.

In reality all the younger brothers of these cars a few years ago were trumped by a $75k car out of Nissan called a GTR and a $120k ZR1 corvette out of Chevy.
If Peloton you are about performance why would you look past the GTR? Besides for me it being one of the ugliest cars ever made. Why would anyone choose a 430 coupe that gets killed by this Nissan in all aspects?

By your definition and posting you shouldn't be on Fchat and I find it funny you are even here. This forum is about high end Italian sports cars and you seem to be almost anti Ferrari. We all know you love that P1. We've seen the posts.

Watches typically go hand and hand with high end sports cars because both have extremely similar backgrounds and inspirations that continue to improve them in many ways.

 

Why are you posting here then?

This thread is about people who are inspired by the capabilities of the 918, the LaF, and the P1. To be fair, most people in this thread are inspired by every aspect of these cars, and pretty much every aspect of engineering in all three is better than anything to ever come out of the 50s or 60s.

Pot, don't call the kettle black. If you aren't inspired, go somewhere else.