Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Interesting quote at the bottom of this article. Could this be the reason McLaren is not announcing their lap times?

"This Porsche is notably less expensive than two similarly new archrivals from Ferrari and McLaren. Both of those cars start at more than a million dollars U.S. each, but price is not where supercars are judged.

Its 0-100 km time of 2.6 seconds puts it a miniscule but relevant 0.2 seconds ahead of the McLaren, plus its documented time of 6 minutes and 57 seconds around Nürburgring is a second faster than the P1’s fastest time yet."

$845,000 Porsche uses less gas than a Prius - The Globe and Mail

 

that is very interesting. the 918 is at 2.5 sec 0-100kmh...so it is notably quicker that P1 to 100km...and the Porsche will only get faster at the Ring. They're going back with the 'finalized' spec. tweaks to battery stuff, and e motor recalibrations. Est at least 5 seconds under current time? Yikes. I'll take mine in the silver grey weissach car shown at Pebble. wicked.

 

I'd wonder why this group
BESIDES Peloton
Actually knows the P1 time around the Ring. It wouldn't ring true with their "well" under 7 minute claim at 6:58 now would it.

 

according to their latest cute video, 'did we go under seven minutes,.... of course we did' 6:58 works. the gap will only get wider as Porsche improves their car.

 

That color looks very similar to the special orange used on the production F1 LMs...

Not pretty, but not insignificant.

 

Porsche has delayed customer car production till March, which certainly means the 918 is still being further developed and perfected before the hit the streets. My guess is that all the media tests at Valencia was done to gather more feedback just as they did before. A rumor I heard (but CANT confirm) is that the battery pack maybe updated and lighter before customer deliveries.

It would be very interesting to see where the 918 will be by the times customer cars are produced.

 

I hope that the full story of the Porsche development process can be told at some point. They have been so public with letting outsiders see and drive mules and pre-production cars. They have had 25 mules doing thousands and thousands of miles. I don't know details about how McLaren or Ferrari have sought to accomplish their own engineering objectives, but it seems to me like Porsche has taken a different approach with a lot of road time. Obviously, quantity is no assurance of quality, but one has to presume that the Germans are being thoughtful about their process.

The second chapter of the 918 will be equally fascinating. I seem to recall that somebody (wtdoom?) said that Porsche was going to have a program of several years of continuing development so that Porsche could continue the engineering/development process and customers could benefit from advances in things like battery technology. Of course, Porsche customers will pay for the privilege, but it will be interesting to see what a 2020 918 version looks like after several years of upgrades and enhancements. If I've got the facts correct, it will create a real decision for owners whether to preserve the car in current form or pay to keep the car current with upgrades. Appreciate if someone can confirm this aspect of the program.

Regardless of your preference, this is a very interesting time for manufacturers, enthusiasts and buyers.
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Front of the pumpkin P1

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1538773_10151846320802844_1969004860_n.jpg

 

Wait a few months, you will see it.

 

Dave, it is much faster than that, the reason it has not been released is because Porsche will be going back to the Ring.

As mentioned before the 918's development process is truly amazing, and IMHO it is the most REAL car of the three.

 

Wow did you guys see the pic of the Black LaFerrari in Monaco in the LaFerrari Picture thread? Amazing - there's also a pic of it with a Red one and the black looks the best by FAR. Which I guess is my issue with the design - there's just something wrong when a Ferrari looks better in black than red (as I suppose is a result of the black 'hiding' the real lines) but oh well, that pic of the black one is to me the best one yet by a mile! Look:

Ferrari LaFerrari - 23 December 2013 - Autogespot

 

gotcha. agree with 918 development. they are very serious about their flagship...real world use and top notch track abilities.

 

that does insane, though not sure i agree it's better than red. but the black undoubtedly looks superb.

 

I think black looks best on LaFerrari not because of any design issues. Black just plain ol' looks best on MOST sports cars including Ferraris. Although not every sports car looks good in red (see most Porsches).

There is something about the shiny black surfaces that bring out the positive lines and hide the unneeded details (see the new Corvette in black as an example).

 

I think what we're seeing here with the 918 is the manifestation of FINANCIAL muscle.

The VAG-Porsche group can commit resources to the development of their cars that Ferrari and Mclaren simply cannot.

If you look at the Veyron, VAG developed that car as thoroughly as if they were going to build millions of units and they were only building 250 odd. They could afford to get financially hosed with each unit and it's not significant to their bottom line. This 918 is no different.
Porsche (already the worlds most profitable-per-unit manufacturer) can deploy technologies, development processes and rigorous testing in a way Ferrari can only dream about.

The 918 is technologically already the "best" car. That race bred V8 isn't found in anything else (p1/laf have engines derived from other models). The hybrid technology is on another planet to the other two. It deploys technological solutions which the others have no answer to (from 4ws to independent electric motors driving different axles). It use of materials, it's likely upgrade programmes, and ongoing maintenance/servicing means it is comfortably the best long-term ownership proposition...

BUT BUT BUT Is it the most desirable though?
Does anyone care about objective analysis?
How do I FEEL when I see the car?

Hell, that's a completely different question - and the answer to these last 3 questions will be evidenced when we see what residuals are like in a few years from now.

 

Perrinnation! Black hide the unneeded details??? On the LaFerrari??? OMG!!! What unneeded details???

 

Agreed. Same can be said about the Audi Le Mans effort. Open checkbook.

 

Ohhhh Giacomo!

I never said black hides any details on LaFerrari specifically. I said black does this in general to most cars. I mentioned the new C7 Corvette because it has very busy details like vents and scoops that are finished in black and add to an already aggressive surface on a brightly colored car. When the Vette is in yellow these details pop and add to the chaos. Some people like it, some (like me) don't. When the Vette is in black the busy nature is tamed and the whole design is highlighted without visually going overboard.

LaFerrari doesn't have too many crazy details in my opinion. But it benefits from black paint all the same.

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What are you basing 'it is much faster than that' on exactly?

Were you present during the attempts or have seen the cockpit footage in full?

 

It is just a V8, that is in fact inferior to that found in the Speciale. It cannot even compare to the amazing V12 of the LaFerrari that was a development of the FXX engine! Also, I am willing to bet that it will be comprehensively beaten by the other two cars on performance.

 

the 4.6 v8 in the 918 weighs only 135 kilos!!!!
It is an amazing engine.

 

It's almost 70 kg lighter than the speciale and each and every one will beat the quoted hp figure by a few hp , unlike some ...
It has no belts and has massive safety built into it as it needs to rev up from stone cold to full power .

 

REALZEUS, you should be more objective, even as a Ferrari fan. Porsche 918 engine is the most innovative series car production unit at this day. 135 kg of weight, converted intakes and no belts or chains. Nobody makes such things today, nobody. If I am not wrong 458 unit even uses simple steel conrods...Anyway great engine, but nowhere near to 918. Laf unit is 7-8 years old unit. No comparison...

Simply imagine, this unit weights 40 kg more than F1 V8 unit and the same as 2014 F1 units... It is simply astonishing for series production!

 

And has some proper racing heritage...

 

The 918 is in a different league as far as the use of technology. The other companies simply dont have the funds for a development stint such as this. Porsche is taking its sweet time to deliver something absolutely unique in every way.