This is going to be a close game, England on the ropes and our lot have just forgotten how to bat as well
If we were bad yesterday, England have been atrocious today. Still, 230 is a tricky little total to chase. Anything can happen but really they are 100 runs short IMO.
Surprisingly it's the other way round. The 348 was in development when the Berlinetta Boxer was around and the mock ups already had the strakes etc down the sides some years before the Testarossa was ever called for. When they rebodied the Boxer and shifted the radiators out to the side (which is in essence what they did to build the Testarossa) Nicosia took design cues from the then in development 348 to use on the new Testarossa. In fact the 348 was used to develop cars as early as the Testarossa and as late as the Enzo (all 3 test mules started life as 348s). Just some random info - I do know how Pete loves to be informed of these things.
I never thought I could get sick of facts but there you go, now I am What is the excuse for the missing 80hp ?? They knew only girls would buy them ??
Lol, was mostly for Pete's benefit, know how he loves hearing about 348s. I do worry about the poor chap actually, it's almost obsessive his dislike for a model which was the blue-print for his and is basically just an earlier version of it. Don't like to talk about him behind his back but is he, you know, 'Ok'? Regarding the 80bhp, tell you what - you show me a stock 355, any stock 355, on a dyno kicking out 380bhp and regardless of the score in the series I'll buy Steve the lunch. 380bhp needs to be taken with something slightly more than a pinch of salt
Lucky you edited that, Pete. I was about to politely say that the sentence you removed could not possibly be true. At this rate I won't have to buy myself any lunches when I come over! Hoorah!
Yep, I checked and the ones I've seen that went over the 355s were slightly more modded (with 355 parts generally )
Fair enough. You've got about as much chance of convincing anyone a 348 is more powerful or faster than a 355 as I do of convincing them my car's faster than a 430. (It is, by the way...) You must be disappointed by the showing of your lads today after a good day yesterday. It just looks like they don't value their wicket, which is a crime in a Test match.
Of course it is And yes, I did hope for better, we'll see what tomorrow brings. I'll reply off thread about what I was speaking about as you may find it interesting.....
You sold the Challenge!!!! That must have been a tough call. Was the Challenge engine totally stock Pete? I know of a 348 that was dyno'd at 400bhp and a shade over but had different cams in. I thought stock 355s almost always come out at about the 360bhp mark?
Had to dig around for a link to the car I was talking about (not that you would ever doubt my word, Pete ). Think the higher lift cams just replicate the less restriction you guys get with 5 valves as opposed to 4 but the bhp is about on a par with them in. The 348 engine and induction/exhaust flow is very restricted in road-going form - had to be without the clever suspension and better aero etc or 'normal' drivers wouldn't cope too well, but it's not hard to open them out to put them on a par with the 355 bhp wise. There's a few companies over here in Europe that do these cams for a 348...... 348 Spider Dyno - Excellent Results
It was easy to sell. It was a poor example. Seriously, how would you work out how much hp a car has on a chassis dyno?
They're obviously not as accurate as an engine dyno but a decent one will normally give you a pretty good approximation, maybe plus or minus 15bhp from what I've been told by people who regularly use both.
btw it's got to be more accurate than being able to definitively say how much bhp a 355 must have due to its 0-60 time ........
Sorry, I probably failed to add "if you know what you're doing." I'm talking guys who set up GT cars for a living saying you can use them to give an estimate. A chassis dyno obviously tells you how much force your tyres are exerting on a roller at any given moment. Saying - "therefore the engine must have been putting out x power" takes some assumptions but measuring the actual force exerted on the rollers is simple physics. Why do you care so much anyway, Pete? Anyone would think that stopping the slow reevaluation of the 348 that's trickling through the Ferrari world everywhere except in your living room is some form of moral crusade or something. Give it up, you're begining to look desparate
Not entirely sure why I'm bothering but found a test that was done on a chassis dyno to show how inaccurate they are. They did everything they could to skew the readings and at the end of the day achieved 7.5bhp above a base line reading and about 15bhp below it. So I probably wasn't that far removed. Dyno Accuracy Testing - Popular Hot Rodding Magazine
What's your point? No matter what, the average 348 has 80hp less than the average 355 and one gear less. Surely is getting hard to find a good example of either these days.
More and more of each are being rebuilt over here so maybe that'll change. Let's hope so. My point was just that the 348 engine isn't 80bhp 'down' on power because Ferrari couldn't find it. Anyone can put in the cams they used on the track cars, open up the restrictions on the intake and exhaust as was done on the 355 and hey presto - you have about the same power as the 355. It wasn't that Ferrari couldn't give the 348 more power, it was just that, in none professional hands and with the live-wire nature of the car, it was deemed that 300 (and later 320bhp) was about right. They weren't chasing the BHP numbers in the same way they do today. When they 'tamed' the car a bit more with electronic suspension and especially the underfloor airflow improvements they could liberate a bit more of that power.......but the power is and was there all along. In fact the track variants of the 348 were trading blows with, and beating on occasion, the F40s on the track in Italy in '93 and '94. This doesn't totally show you but gives an idea of just how restrictive they made the stock 348 exhaust and induction, needs to be turned up quite loud though. Black silled car is mine with some of the restriction removed but still totally road legal and still has cats etc. Ferrari 348: Stock versus Nouvalari Exhaust - YouTube Camera phone didn't really pick mine up so well but you can almost tell that the other one is wanting to 'breath' a good deal more. p.s. My wife's Skoda Yeti has 6 gears. Not sure it makes that much difference
You clearly know very little about the history of the car: Italian GT Magione 1994 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars Italian GT Vallelunga 1994 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars Italian GT Binetto 1994 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars Italian GT Misano 1994 - Race Results - Racing Sports Cars Off to bed now mate, long day tomorrow. All joking aside though, no hard feelings from this end, enjoy a good debate now and then
