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308 14" wheel...genuine ?

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  1. jasper_40

    jasper_40 Karting

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    Hey Guys,

    How do you tell conclusively that a wheel is a genuine OEM. one has appeared on Ebay and the writing on the rim is not embossed but are simply decals.

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    I have done some basic scanning of images on the interweb and find that some 14" wheels are embossed and some not......so inconclusive.

    Also, if this is an OEM is it really worth the "buy it now price" or even the "starting bid" ??

    Anyone out there who knows the chronology of the 14" wheels ?


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  2. Crowndog

    Crowndog F1 Veteran

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    The KN reproductions only come in 16" but do come in many colors. But I suspect they are the real deal as there are plenty 390 and 14" wheels for sale.


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  3. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    #3 greyboxer, Jan 4, 2014
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    Look at the casting references and try a search here eg 40899 or 28B - both come up for folk positively identifying

    On US Ebay they get fifty bucks on a bad day
     
  4. godabitibi

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    #4 godabitibi, Jan 4, 2014
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    There are different version of the OEM wheels. Cromodora, Campagnolo. 6 1/2 and 7 1/2. From what I know the Campagnolo came with the decals and the Cromodora have the cast writing. Those look original they even have the original center cap with the clear plastic which are now hard to find. For the price it's hard to say but you may find some cheaper but who knows now!
     
  5. jasper_40

    jasper_40 Karting

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    Encouraging.....

    I have 16" on my QV and the lettering is all embossed but the spare was a 14" chromadora with the decals which I always assumed was a reproduction. I purchased a repro 16" Superformance as a replacement spare which doesn't have any embossed lettering on the rim (obviously) but they did send the decals (incl Chromadora) which look exactly the same as those decals on my old 14" spare...

    If this ebay item is therefore an OEM then I will watch with interest as I could perhaps get some good money for my 14" rim.

    Cheers
     
  6. Steve Magnusson

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    No -- maybe $1000 for a very good complete set of 4 IMO (but I've been wrong before, and maybe the 14" are become more desirable as 308s get older...)
     
  7. bernardo66

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    #7 bernardo66, Jan 4, 2014
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    Indeed! I've never regretted keeping my car stock! I found my 14" rims on E-bay and had them refinished.
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  8. i-velocita

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    Yes, I bought my spare for about $250-$300 with a tire that had never been on the ground. Prices are higher in Australia though!
     
  9. vaccarella

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    My 14" Campagnolos are clearly embossed on the inner side of the wheels. I assume the decals washed away long ago.
     
  10. vaccarella

    vaccarella Formula 3

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    I should mention they are actually embossed as Campagnolo along with the code numbers. I'll take a pic when they are next off but it may be a while.
     
  11. kmgreg

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    So you guys ditched your "donut" spare and bought a full size spare and it fit in the space? My GT4 came to me without an original spare and I was looking for the original one, but maybe I should be practical and buy a repro full size one?
     
  12. FiatRN

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    Thread search suggests that you have a 1975 GT4. Early cars *seem* to have come with a skinny space saver spare (ala Hans' car, he's got a couple great photos of the spare installed on his car). Later cars came with a full size spare. I can't even guess the crossover point.

    However, there also *might* be a difference in the black plastic cover under the nose that hides the heater ducts/etc, and I would make sure a full size spare fits before buying one.

    Lastly, some tire sizes may fit (the fronts, for instance) and others may not (the rears), so make sure you can put your non-spare into the slot or carry a nice clean giant bag so that you could put the bad tire/wheel into the backseat in case of trouble.

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  13. jasper_40

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    So....does this mean that only a genuine Campagnolo 14" rim has "Campagnolo" embossed on the onside of the rim ?

    I must say that Ferrari being the brand that it is...it would be a real missed opportunity to not have the horsie or "Ferrari" embossed on the wheel...which is why I am still not sure.

    Putting simple decals on the outer rim is so not Ferrari.

    Why do I care ?....I would like to sell on my unwanted 14" wheel with decals in the knowledge that it is for real

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  14. Crowndog

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    Again I know of no reproductions made in 14" size wheel only 16".


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  15. George Vosburgh

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    Steve, you are exactly right, again. That price is insane for one wheel!
     
  16. ferrarisun

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    Where ever you buy your used wheels, make sure the seller will guarantee that the wheel, will balance good, and run true. The pictures really can't tell you if a wheel has been "tweaked", or not. I sold several miscellaneous Ferrari wheels a few years ago, before advertising them, I took them to a local custom wheel & tire shop, had them checked for balance & run out. Then I could advertise them as good wheels to run, and not just to be used as wall art.
     
  17. i-velocita

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    Jasper, your wheel is the real deal. I suspect the "decals" you describe are actually paint stencilings. If so, you are fine. Just don't expect to get $1300!
     
  18. VIZSLA

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    They're still good enough for static concours duty.
     
  19. rkljr

    rkljr Formula Junior

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    At $1,300 per wheel, I would consider parting with my set. I have original 14" (set of five including full size spare) but I run 16" wheels for obvious reasons.

    My wheels are Campagnolo but I do not recollect any stenciling etc. I suppose the stenciling could have worn away but my guess is it was never there as Campagnolo was embossed.

    Like many parts, there is likely a lot of variety.
     
  20. George Vosburgh

    George Vosburgh F1 Rookie
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    If your car is relatively original, you might want to hang on to those wheels for you or some one else down the road.
     
  21. George Vosburgh

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    #21 George Vosburgh, Jan 5, 2014
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    Here is the car right now, we still need to do the interior. I'm planning on running 328 wheels which is what I now have on the car. But when I SHOW the car I will put the 14s back on.
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  22. vaccarella

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    Obvious? Is 16 vs 14 such a huge difference?
     
  23. VIZSLA

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    Given the number of tires that are only available in 16, yeah.
     
  24. George Vosburgh

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    It's not just the number of tires, it's the amount of sway you get in the 14s. The 16s are the way to go if you plan on driving the car. If you want to show the car, you will loose points on the 16s, so keep the 14s in reserve.
     
  25. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm not convinced.
    Having run both I find that while absolute grip is way higher on 16s and modern rubber, the handling may be sweeter on the smaller wheels and period spec tires. This is the level of grip that the car was designed for.

    BTW as I understand it 16s were a factory option.
     

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