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Crash of Biz Jet in Aspen

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  1. Napolis

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  2. ChipG

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    The aircraft was a private Canadair CL-600-2B16 Challenger 601-3R that was coming from Tucson to Aspen, according to the Aviation Safety
     
  3. BubblesQuah

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  4. donv

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    Big tailwind on landing... a couple of friends of mine used to fly that airplane for a previous owner.
     
  5. Pass

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    Originated in Mexico, stopped in Tukson for gas and continued to Aspen. Wonder if there were casualties?
     
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  7. Tcar

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    News report on the radio in Denver said 2 missed approaches then crashed.

    Resting upside down, nose down... guessing the pilot is the casualty.
     
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    We took off from ASE at 11AM,got home and heard the news when turned on the TV in the kitchen.
    Very sobering to our happy (until now) moods that all went so smooth and quick.....
     
  9. donv

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    Something was wrong, but not with the airplane. They were on their second attempt-- huge tailwind, 30 knots or more, with windshear. Bad news.

    RIP...

     
  10. BubblesQuah

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    What is happening with the loop in the lower left of the map? Some sort of spacing issue?
     
  11. docmirror

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    Circle to land. Not sure if that's legal in this plane, never flew one. Most of these planes are limited to 10kt tailwind, so he was way over that.

    If this is due to the noise abatement at Aspen, there's gonna be a big lawsuit. Of course, it's hard as heck to land on 33 with the big rocks to the SW.
     
  12. absent

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    Since early morning all inbound planes were delayed by 18 min and had to circle before landing.
    Our plane had to "wait" also before finally landing at 10am instead of scheduled 9:30am.
    The delay was caused by low clouds,according to the airport people.
     
  13. Tcar

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    Copilot died...
     
  14. rob lay

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    do any planes land 33? I thought most planes come in from North. I landed there once. I'm actually surprised that one go around he turned right on long final. I remember big mountains off right side when approaching from north. Seems to me a small plane could to a tight left pattern. Jets I guess they can climb so fast they can do what they want.
     
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    From a friend's FB post that landed there about 10 times in the last 15 years, 50x on simulator.

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  16. Jason Crandall

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    I land there all the time. It's a tricky approach.

    That jet that crashed today I'm guessing had a hell of a tail wind.
     
  17. Schimpf

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    I was holding back, but that was my speculation...came it hot & had the mentally of "I have to set it down this time"
     
  18. kverges

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    It is hard to tell how far the mountains are to the south but is it impossible to approach from that direction? I've been way too high on final and you can slip in the little things I have flown, is that not doable in a jet? I'd sure be more inclined to come in high and do a big slip in a single engine piston airplane but perhaps that is not feasible and there are issues with wind shear over the southerly mountains
     
  19. docmirror

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    It's been 20 years since I stopped there, and I landed on 33. It was a windy day, but prolly not 30kts, and it was right down the 33 runway. Maybe all jets come in on 15, but I told them I was a Grumman AA-5, and they advised cross midfield, make left traffic, caution terrain and swirling wind, and cleared to land. Things are different in this category of plane, and things may have changed since I was there last.
     
  20. donv

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    Probably a spacing issue, yes.

    You can land on 33 (I've never done it myself), but it's not something to mess around with. Personally, I'd probably go to Rifle, although it would depend on the airplane type.

     
  21. WILLIAM H

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    This is a spooky ski season & I'll b at Aspen in a few weeks :/
     
  22. Tcar

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    Does anyone know what equipment United (from DEN) and AA fly into Aspen?

    Think it's Skywest for United.

    CRJ's?



    Using Rifle is a 1-1/2 hour drive from Aspen, I think.
     
  23. donv

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    I think it is CRJs, although the guys that fly them into Aspen aren't normal line pilots. They are specially qualified Aspen guys, and that's more or less all they do. It's a special deal that you bid for, if you want it.

     
  24. WILLIAM H

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    Its a spooky approach skimming the treetops

    Although the airport in Bhutan was the worst, We were mowing the guys lawn on top of the mountain and I could hear his dog barking at us
     
  25. Jeff Kennedy

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    Challenger Crashes at Aspen in Windy Conditions

    One person aboard a Bombardier Challenger 600 died and another was seriously injured after the aircraft–N115WF–crashed Sunday afternoon while attempting to land on Runway 15 at Aspen-Pitkin County Airport in Colorado. The Challenger’s right wing separated at impact, and the aircraft then rolled inverted and caught fire. A third person aboard the aircraft sustained minor injuries. The accident occurred at approximately 12:20 p.m. during the aircraft’s second attempt to land. The crew missed the first approach after reporting a 33-knot tailwind. Live ATC captured the tower telling the crew just before the second attempt to the same runway that the wind was still gusting to 25 knots.
     

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