insulted by a kit car

Which of these are legitimate uses of Ferrari's/Porsche's body shapes and logos?

Answer: none.

 

I have heard people call my cars fakes I guess they just can't believe it's the real thing and have to say that for themselves. I correct them when I have the opportunity but I will not chase someone down it doesn't matter that much to me.

 

Who cares if it's a kit or replica or why someone would own one. Just be grateful that you have a real Ferrari or Ferraris.

 

I could be wrong but IIRC the Favre GTO starts with an old Ferrari (like a 250GT or similar) and heavily modifies everything plus the hand-made body. Someone will no doubt correct me if this is wrong.

I know for a purist this is horrible, but considering the virtually unobtainable status of the real thing it seems like a way to have some of the experience of a real one.

 

Yeah I really like that one. It would be fun to build something like that. Like a Lego set for grownups!

 

I see no problem with the Superformance GT40 continuations. I think the Fiero owner in the video is a lying fool. If he only cared about the ART and STYLE and FORM he would have made a sculpture. He made a fake car to get attention. Period.

 

Whenever someone asks me if my 308 is real, I tell them it's a fake. I bought the car for me, not for the approval of other people. Usually the "is it a real Ferrari?" Question is followed by more idiocy (im 28, but I look like im 16...so you get where these convos go), so I just avoid that conversation. But, I could care less about fakes and replicas. If building a 308 clone gives someone a reason to run home from work, then more power to them.

 

If you love/want a '63 GTO can't buy one because the few people who have one aren't selling theirs and/or you don't have 52 mill to spare - what other option is there? A +six figure aluminum body build with genuine Ferrari running gear is not what I think of when I think "kit" car. There's a video posted here somewhere of a guy who duplicated his real GTO so he could race it and enjoy it. He built it because his real one was too valuable. Is that guy really a "poser"?

 

Is a Ferrari 250 GTE a worthwhile car?

There's actually a huge thread about this in the 'vintage' section, probably not worth re-discussing.

 

Yes.

If someone wants a $100,000 Patek Philippe watch, but doesn't have $100,000, and dresses up a Timex to look like one and applies the PP name, is that person a poser? Textbook definition of a poser.

 

I suppose I look at it differently. As an owner of multiple corvettes and Ferraris... I think it's a tribute to the corvette that they base their kits on. Personally I'm not a kit/clone car fan however if there is a market... Build it and they will buy it...
I don't feel cheated that someone built Ferrari based on a corvette or other chassis. However one runs the risk that the real deal will be mistaken for a kit. Happened to me in my 246gt. I listened to the interested parties discuss how it is a Kelmark GT based on a VW chassis, while I was standing there. I think the ink from the body tats went elsewhere.

 

Yes and what might we call that peson if they took an actual Patek and butchered the beautiful and rare creation to make a replica version of a much more rare Patek? I'm not sure what we'd call him though we could punish him severely.

 

what about a 288GTO on a 308?

Good?

Bad?


meh.. I'd rather just have the 308.. (or a real 288!!)

 

Rich poser.

 

There's a lime green Diablo kit car running around Omaha, NE. If I had a dollar for every photo I've seen of it on social media with captions saying "OMG LAMBORGHINI", I could probably afford to buy the kit car.

 

I can't put my finger on it but a 288 GTO made from a 308 doesn't fly for me. For some reason the 63 GTO aluminum bodied, Ferrari running gear recreation is an exception. My best explanation is because of the astronomical price of the 63 GTO. It just can't be had by most any other way.

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I am a watch guy so I appreciate the Petek example but it's not quite the same IMHO. I can't see why anyone would want to make a rare reproduction watch other than for criminal intent. There's alot more "sensory" based reasons to lust for the infinitely rare 63 GTO driving experience. You just can't sit in a watch. You can't take a watch out for an hour on a Sunday and wind out third gear over and over!

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Here's an example; Imagine the most beautiful woman in the world. Is she famous? If she could be cloaned would you kick her cloan out of bed? Would it matter that she wasn't the "original"?

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Without going back thru all the threads; what is Bullfighter's opinion on the recreated Sharknose or the Mercedes W125's built by Crosswaith?

 

Haha LOL

 

Ok, I just threw up in my mouth at those Beetle 911 pictures. Also, the idea that real Ferrari's would be regularly considered kits also is disheartening. Kits like that beetle should be illegal.

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In thinking about it further, I think the acceptable criteria should be that the inspiration must be a rare car. I.e. less then a hundred in existence. The inspiration car must be valued in the plural millions. Must be a race car not a mass produced model. The reproduction must be hand made in aluminum with a genuine engine and running gear. (No fiberglass, no doner car.) Then finally the owner makes no attempt to fake it's authenticity.

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I have nothing against the 550 Spyder, Lancia Stratos, Superformance GT40, Kirkham Cobra replicas. Pretty much 100% recreations and not a cheap knockoff that cuts corners on making it just look real. I'd rather spend my money elsewhere on an original car, but for people that grew up loving those cars and can't afford the real one, it lets them own and enjoy one.

The one car I will never be able to afford is a McLaren F1. If we ever get to a point where that car's carbon tub, electronics, engine, etc, can be 100% replicated for much less than today's market rate on the F1, I'd get one.

 

Super rich guy is at a bar. He says to the lady next to him, "Would you have sex with me for a million dollars?"
The lady thinks for a moment and say's, "For a million dollars I'll have sex with you."
The old rich man says, "Okay, would you have sex with me for $10?"
The lady gets all upset and says, "What kind of girl do you think I am?"
The rich guy says "We've already determined that. Now we're haggling over the price."


Sorry, 928. A fake is a fake and a poser is a poser. Whatever drives the person to turn his Fiero into a Ferrari is the same thing that you are proposing.

I'm with Bullfighter on this one, although for a long time I was ambivalent about it.

I don't mind when people as me if my F40 is a kit car because I usually just say "sure is - look at the two Honda four cylinder motors I welded together to make a V8." I mean, if they don't know what it is, why should I care? I can't be responsible for the education of everyone in the world. What does get me mad is when people see fake cars and think that they're seeing the real thing. For example, I have a real Carrera RS. I cannot tell you how annoyed I get when I see RS clones all over and people think that they're looking at the real thing. It's out and out lying to people but somehow, society thinks it's okay. A real RS is a spectacular car to behold. Fake ones are just appliances, no matter how well done. There are differences that just cannot be recreated.

If you can't afford it, just enjoy what you can afford or work harder to buy what you want. There are some really cool cars at all kinds of price points. No need to pose to have a great time in a really fun hobby.

By the way, a 308 GTB with a 288 body and no badging is just a modified 308. It doesn't look like anything other than a 308 with big fenders and nothing like a real 288 so I don't see what the big deal is with those. It's when you put the badges and tell people that it's a 288 that it's a problem.