How much of a poseur are you?

This topic is bound to explode into a massive argument which transmission is best, and inevitably someone saying why we don't want carbs and drum brakes back, or why don't we manually crank the car anymore yadda yadda.

Please lets not.


I'm a solid 3. I prefer manual gearboxes, but I have little objection to them in mostly track focused cars like the Scuderia and 599 GTO. Had they been offered with a manual, yes I'd be on the look out for them.

 

I'm a 3, I just get along real easy!

 

4 and then some but then again I think music stopped with the Grateful Dead. I thought the Super Bowl haft time show was a clothing designer Bruno somebody, my girlfriend says I am lost in a time warp!

 

I think we should drop this discussion and help you look for your subscription. Where did you last leave it?

 

I drive a leased 3-series bimmer, wear designer jeans with some stupid logo stitched big on the back pockets, wear Polo and Gucci, have a Rolex or Panerai on my writst and go to all the trendiest places and flash my cash... but I only make 15-20 bucks an hour.

Does that count for anything?

 

3.5...I am not a racer, I do DE events on occasion.

I can understand that in racing a paddle shifting gearbox would be an advantage but for my purposes a three pedal car is the most engaging. As has been stated before if certain F cars (in my case a Stradale) came with a manual gearbox I'd have paid more to get it but I thoroughly enjoy the CS none the less.

 

In that my car is rarely recognized as a Ferrari I'll have to settle for dilettante.

 

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Probably a 3.5. In nearly 30 years of driving, I never owned an automatic transmission car until my current DD.

 

I would have been somewhere in the stick only crowd, but these days am probably a 3.
Was on a trip in SA and had an audi A3 with DSG. I can see how for daily driving it gives you a bit of both. Better than a full auto, not quite a full stick. On the positive the DSG also allowed keeping the motor on full boil more of the time and the ability to grab gaps at will.

I maintain that the popularity of DSG is from the following reasons, in no particular order. 1. in europe cheap cars were traditionly stick, so an auto was premium. 2. most parts of the world are traffic and a dsg is easier, 3. on paper they are quicker and lots of cars are bought on paper spec. 4. DSG allows far eaier/better attainment of fuel economy goals for the manufacturer(maybe reason 1)5. DSG works well in more easily extracting performance from a less torquey motor.

Still for the sunday drive, as many have said a stick is more engaging. For a ED track event a stick is more fulfilling especialy with a street based car which is not going to be the quickest by definition. I guess it boild won to what you use your car for and how often. If your ferrari or other car is purely for entertainment, a stick may be far more entertaining.

As to sheilds, my opinion is if you put sheilds on your car,on average you are looking for attention, just as ordering/driving a red ferrari is in mnany cases looking for attention. Personaly I prefer a less eyes catching color and less adornment, you know so that when you DRIVE your car does not catch every eye. Plus the shape of a good number of ferraris looks betetr in otehr colors, and some liek a 456 or 550 look terrible in red.

 

The question was organized by transmission type...

 

I'm a 3.... 3's my lucky number

 

what do the mechanicals of any car have anything to do with being a poseur ?

Mechanicals of a car show the evolution in engineering... does having a hand crank vs an electric starter make one more a poseur...

poseurs would be better identified by their excessive flashing of logos in attempt to demonstrate their affinity for a particular brand, or drawing attention to their newly acquired marque by spitirted driving associated with the marque's success on the track
The cliche' "all hat and no cattle" would be appropriate for a poseur. The amount of displayed logo while driving a beat up econo box would be a more appropriate measure of a poseur

 

Exactly.

 

While I agree with your comentary in genral, your hand crank analogy is false. An electric starter improved ease of use, without detracting from pleasure of use. Same can be said of electronic ignition and in same but not all cases FI. We can also say the same for better suspension.

Now many argue that PS took away steering feel, and by extension controllability at the limit. That is why porche introduces ps late in the game as did ferrari, ie when the drawbacks were mostly eliminated and steering feel and acuracy could be dialed in with conveniance. We now lament the lack of feedback from eps. Similarily a traditional AT robbed performane and as a result very few performance cars had them and no serious ones bar chaperal did.

Now we get to PDK type boxes, for sure they add paper performance and conveniance in traffic, while robing a tactile interaction with the car in road conditions. Fact is a AMG merc 6.3 is going to be faster on street than anyone can even unreasonable go. So a sportscar should in my opinion offer that a AMG merc, rs audi etc cannot offer, and that is tactility and light weight.

In the current idion eps and pdk rob tactility, no matter their paper improvement in raw numbers. Its probably impossible to drive a modern performamce car at 10/10ths on the street other than for the breifest period of time if at all. Therefopre a tactile rewarding alive machine has appeal and differentiates a sportscar(along with styling) from a superfast sedan. That is the reason for the stick arguement.

If you want an analogy we gould probably design a ugly as sin bland car with excellent cd. Instead we compromise on this performance character for style and appeal. Think of tactlity like styling. Rememebr in the 80's all those egg cars with great CDs, or even current ecionoboxes. Yet we pay a premium for styling which inhgerantly detracts from aero and space utilization, yet adds a subjective appeal, same applies tot he stick arguement.

Somewhere tech will arrive at a fully robotised car, some of us will probably pay extra for cars you drive yourself and feel great, an extension of your mind and body, this meas drawing a tech line. Tech is great where it enhances the experience and conveniance. Where it dulls experience there is an argument against.

Mechanical;s have nothing to do with being a poseur, save that making a ferrari drive like a hyundai menas a lot of people who have no clue about how to drive or driving pleasure or even care about such subejects now own ferraris as wealth exhibitors and jewlery, making the percentage of ferrari owners who are driving a ferrari to pose significantly greater than in the past, Paris Hilton or Justin Beiber anyone? In fact today if you say you won a ferrari the assumption is you are some type of poseur.

 

How does buying a Ferrari 458 with a DCT-type gearbox (the only gearbox available) make someone a poseur?

 

What a stupid thread.

The idea that "pure enthusiast" only drive stick shifts is not true. Do you not follow professional racing??

And I drive a stick shift 911.

 

I am all four depending on who I'm talking to and how quickly I want to get out of a conversation.

 

3 but if she is pretty then a 2

 

^ SUPER NICE!!!

 

You talked to my wife?