458's successor engine speculation

Not today perhaps. But it is all about R & D and given a little time they will manage that. Before 125 hp/litre came out many wouldn't believe it was possible. But the bar and technology just keep improving.

Having said that the 458 replacement may be the last n/a engine as further increase in power will force the need for use of other technology due to govt regulations.

 

The issue isn't making an engine that produces those figures, that can probably be done today. The issue is producing something that doesn't act like a race engine with regards to ease of use, durability, and those stupid emissions regulations.

 

I agree they can make this engine today. The time they need is actually to make it reliable and meet govt regs. They will manage it this way one last time with the 458 replacement. After that they will need to resort to electric power, forced induction etc.. for the next generation.

 

I also feel that since ferrari is still building naturally aspirated V12s, that those engines will have to go before the n/a V8s.

 

As I commentet earlier, LdM has specifically stated that Ferrari will continue to build NA V12's, but with the V8's being open to things like turbocharging.

Building V12's is probably one of the last things Ferrari will ever give up. Believing that they will give up the V12's before the NA V8 is an absolutely ridiculous (and ignorant) thought...

 

They will give up neither quickly. That's my point. But emission regulations will get harder to meet sooner with the V12s vs the V8s. So it's not a matter of what they want to do, but rather what they will have to. Bottom line we still have a few more years of n/a engines from ferrari still left.

note: they will experiment with the turbo in the cali replacement soon, but not give up the n/a in the 458 line till they absolutely have to.

 

Okay, let me put it like this;

Can you please tell me any objective disadvantages of the "468" being turbocharged? Not subjective personal feelings or stubborn emotions. Performance and effiency-oriented disadvantages...

Is the new breed of TT V8's we have seen the last year a positive experience? Yes. They have good exhaust note, quick response and a linear torque curve.

Why should Ferrari not turbocharge the V8 mid-engined car, which they have done in the past? (thus any "oh it's not Ferrari-like to turbocharge cars" arguments are invalid)

I'm seriously tempted to make a betting game out of this. It will make me and a few others rich men

 

I will hybridize all your comments:

V8s can go TT but they won't go in this next generation.

V12s are less likely to go so. They will probably get some kind of KERS.

Its useless to discuss objective disadvantages of TC since these cars are all about the subjective.

There is a reason why Ferrari made the LaFerrari a V12 and not a turbo V8 which would probably be more efficient- its called they know the market wants to see a V12 in that car. And the market wants to see a V8 in the 458 level car.

The market doesn't care what powers the California so long as it says Ferrari.

But I have no inside information, this is simply my conjecture.

 

You are misreading my comments. They do not involve my feelings or emotions. I am simply speculating (as op thread title expects) as to what will happen with the 458 replacement engine wise. I am willing to bet it will be n/a with a bunch more hp. I have nothing against turbo charged engines. They are the wave of the future. I am just speculating that they are still a few more years away with ferrari, except for cali replacment, which will be announced with a turbo engine at Geneva.

 

Yup, that's what I am getting at.

 

Well disheartened, I have the last known N/A BMW M3 Sedan. BMW caved into the emissions trap so now the twin turbo M3 in April.

Since my M3 was a lease, I am now buying it outright and putting it away for limit driving.

It sure seems like the 468 (if even called that) will remain N/A, but after that model, we might never see the N/A V8 car again in any high performance model. This era is about to end forever....

 

+1

So anyone wants to make us rich?

Guys if you read the interviews of most of the Ferrari engineers, LDM and other management you will notice that they ONLY talk about turbo V8. It is basically confirmed in Maranello that Ferrari will ONLY make turbocharged V8 moving forward and only the V12 will stay as it is as long as they can.

 

Precisely.

Not to be rude, but I trust the information from Ferrari and reputable sources more than random speculations by someone on FChat. There is nothing wrong with healthy speculation, but there also has to be a set for what we know to be accurate speculation and what is just a shot in the dark. If people want the 458 successor to be NA, cool. But we must not confuse their opinions with what the people at Maranello are saying.

 

Regarding the V12 engine: There are rumors that Maserati will implement a 5,7 liter V12 engine (based on the Ferrari V12) into the Quattroporte (later also into the new Quattroporte-Coupé). Does anyone know more about it?

 

wow, Maserati want to beat S600?
5,7 litre and V12? this engine already exist? Maybe future Ferraris will have 5.7 liter V12 to reduce emission?

 

I'll chime in: expect a twin turbo V8 for the 458 successor, and a similar blown V12 for the next gen. F12 (successor). They kind of have to to meet efficiency standards, etc.

 

So Lamborghini(and Audi) will have the market for high-revving NA supercars all to themselves?

Question: How many current F430, F458... owners would be more likely to switch to a Lamborghini(Huracan, or alternatively new R8) if F458's successor is turbocharged?

 

I think you should read the thread that has an article that basically hints from Ferrari that the next generation will most likely stay N/A.

 

You forgot to mention the Laferrari style electric power

+ V6 twin turbo.

 

Ferrari replaced the 612 with an AWD shooting brake, so almost anything is possible. That said, F1 was turbo V6 in the 80's (!) and Ferrari never put a turbo V6 in one of their road cars, so some things might be out of bounds too.

I think the TT V8 hits the sweet spot, prediction wise. Some sort of ERS seems premature, as it seems the La Ferrari has been challenging to sort out. I'd expect ERS to appear in the higher end V12's first anyway.

I'm going to place my bet on the TT V8 with active aerodynamics, but I'm not going to wager any money. lol.

Cheers,

Geo

 

The difference is that we have sources we talk to ourselves, we don't only rely on forum threads or news articles for information.

 

if customers will switch, I think that they will go more for Ferrari V12 than Lamborghini in general, but anyway I think than nowadays more than ever Ferrari customers like Lamborghini cars, in the past Lambo was far from Ferrari but now they are getting closer and closer

 

If you believe that article that's fine by me....but that article is based on completely wrong information IMO and in the opinion of my sources in Maranello ;-)

PS I am pretty convinced (and this is pure speculation on my part) that Ferrari will have found a way to make a turbo charged V8 feel and sound amazing by the time the California comes out and even more when it is "squeezed" for the next 458

 

My commentary speculation is the FF was a good bet for Ferrari to make since the 612 didn't really sell quite as well as they would have liked and the feedback was for something more useable. So the FF is more useable.

The 458 buyer has a pretty good idea of what they expect and I think Ferrari will be extra careful here.

I don't doubt Mr.Maranello's info but my pure speculation is they will stay NA.

 

Laferrari V12 have max revs around 9000 rpm, I wonder if that will be standard for all future cars with V12