458's successor engine speculation

Thats awesome you have sources but sources can sometimes be wrong. We are all going by what we think and why. Inside I bet we all hope for a N/A v8 once more. I do!

 

I think that owners of BMW M5 did expect the same.

 

I'm really not sure if that's true, because the rumor existed even with the Quattroporte V.

 

Nope, a V6 is out for the question for Ferrari. V8, either N/A or turbocharged for the next 458. I would say that a N/A engine is the most likely scenario.

 

You gave us a dose of reality

What I wonder is do manufacturers read this forum and others to get a idea of what people are thinking? An interesting thought at least.

When I was working I know that consumer companies spend alot of time and money trying to determine what should be next in a product or perhaps a new product line. I suspect car manufactueres do the same.

Every car I buy is followed by a form to fill out concerning the car purchased. Why I bought the car, others considered, did I consider this or that, what do I like about the car, what I do not like, suggested improvements. What I would like to see on my next new car purchase and so forth.

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Lee

 

For the 458 replacement there is NO way Ferrari is going to use anything other then another NA V8. As was stated earlier the 458 replacement due in 2015 is just a evolutionary change every 5 years not revolutionary every 10 years. 2020 redue is any ones guess.

 

This is a very good point and I hope it turns out this way -- I am hoping for a displacement increase to 4.9 L and hp to around 630. I suppose that the pressure of government regulations might upset this and if it turns out to be a TT V8, my 458 is with me to stay.

 

Same here, I will keep my 458 that I get if the replacement is a turbo. I believe that say the replacement does have a turbo, that the 458 line up will hold its value better than people would expect.

 

I won't. I'll keep my Speciale and rub my hands as it will become a Classic even faster

 

That evolution logic didn't save the Cali from switching to turbo at its refresh date...


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I believe the whole 458 line up if the replacement is turboed will become a classic and hold its value much more than previous models.

 

I speculate that Ferrari has not made the final decision on 458 "refresh" engine yet. Heck, I'm not convinced they have a firm delivery date yet for the refresh...

I bet they have determined to remain v8 for the Refresh (I highly doubt they even considered changing to v6).

I'm pretty sure they are considering turbo for the refresh, but I'd bet from comments we have seen that they haven't decided yet.

I'm pretty sure they have ruled out carbon tub and kers (if these happen in the future, these would be part of the major overhaul/successor which is sometime after 2020).

So, refresh will be v8, no carbon tub, no kers, with NA vs turbo still to be determined - all my speculation of course.

(I think getting much over 600HP from an NA is unprecedented in a street NA v8...let's see how the amazing new Porsche motor in the 918 holds up and how tractable it is (and it has electric help!). Don't forget the speciale is brand stinking new and it has ~600HP...and stupidly high compression ratios and every other trick...I doubt they can get +50 street able HP even from larger displacement...keeping the same specific output per liter would be very difficult and fuel consumption would suffer...I don't see any manufacturer having lower fuel economy in a new model in the future...

I think it's important to remember that this is the evolution mid-career update and changes to chassis and engine size are not generally on the table for these refreshes.

It's also important to keep in mind the production levels and pricing for this car, so kers and carbon are highly unlikely at this time (yes I know 12C and 4c are carbon tub at same and lower prices). A whole new car (which a carbon tub implies) could not be done by 2015 and would be directly against ferrari's stated model plans and very expensive.)


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The 458 engine (F136FB) is an evolutionary step from the 430 engine (F136ED).

The architecture was jointly developed by Ferrari AND Maserati, and has been produced in various configurations for cars under those badges as well as for a single Alfa Romeo model.

For Maserati this engine (M145A) goes with the actual GranTurismo Sport end of life during the next year.

I would be surprised if Ferrari will use furthermore this outdated engine type for the 458 successor.

 

I think you are probably right that the choice between NA and TT V8 has not yet been decided. Luca will probably call it based on how well the TT meets the parameters of the traditional Ferrari engine: response, linearity, and sound.

I am biting my nails but hoping for the best.

 

is this possible that customers opinion will be factor in decision what engine will be put into 458 replacement? or customers opinion doesn't matter ?

 

Customer opinion does matter to Ferrari, that's where the FF came from.

There are a select few chief of sales or owners of the Ferrari dealers around the world who gather in Maranello and form a working group discussing customer fedback, what they want and the future direction the Ferrari should take with their coming cars.

I know one of the guys who is part of this group, I don't know him personally, but I know who he is.

 

so how do you think what this guys will say? NA or turbo?

 

I hope that one day turbos will sounds like 360 CS
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The late Indy Offenhauser engines of the 70's were turbocharged and only four cylinders: and they sounded fantastic (DOHC/4 valves per cylinder). Turbos can sound very, very nice if done properly.

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George

 

There is nothing outdated in that V8. If anything, it is the most spectacular V8 out there! I believe that we will see an enlarged NA V8 in the new 458.

 

I think you'd be surprised as to how open people are to the proposal of a turbocharged powerplant.

 

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I think the most important thing is they deliver the Ferrari experience.

 

+1

 

I would say it was a "good" engine; mature, stable and reliable. But the engine had also its weaknesses; less torque (especially in the lower speed range) and usually the engine was not able to deliver the promised power (the marketing has been very "generous").

I will not be sad if this engine will be replaced.