Full Repaint Cost on a 12 Cylinder Car?

Been looking at '99 Diablos or '05-06 Murci (manual transmission only) roadsters for awhile in colors I like. Stock of these is down, so just wondering would it be feasible to just buy a car and get it repainted in a nice color. Not sure the wrap thing is for me.

I know that a couple of 6.0s were painted VI a few years ago, wondering about cost of something like that today. Also had heard that Canada would be the place to have it done optimally, as they used to be able to use better paint. Not sure if this is still true.

Or is this a dumb idea and I should keep waiting or turn to another model (Gallardo, R8, F430, etc).

 

I have had 3 6.0 cars fully re-sprayed.

1 VI, 1 Pearl White (ballon white) and 1 Monterry Blue.

For a quailty every piece done was $17K US and took approx 6-7 weeks.

Yes, all went just north of me into Canada, approx 90 minutes away, as they can still use Oil Based PPG Global like the factory. In the US can only use water based PPG due to EPA rules.

 

Everyone has a different opinion on the quality of a paint job.


If it is a collector car, it is in your financial interest to paint the car in the original livery.

 

I totally dis-agree with this. ALL 3 6.0 cars I resprayed where Silver and did not sell.

ONCE they were resprayed into desirable colors, they sold within days for price WAY above what a silver 6.0 would have ever gotten.

If done correctly and with the correct factory product, it can be a good advance for a not so popular selling color.

 

(when) it becomes a car which is displayed at a 'collector's' show, it will be a different story.

Today, it is a modern car. The 6.0 has a faithful following.

When it is thirty years old, people will want the original colors - especially odd-ball varieties.

 

It really depends on the car and buyer. I see plenty Maserati 3500 and Ghiblis, Ferrari whatevers, with values climbing to be sure, painted in a non original color, and still sell in line with the rest of the "original livery" market. Same as with restored / original. Remember the market is fickle, and it changes with time.

Would someone care if it was a very limited factory color and then changed? Sure. Would they care so much, in the case of the silver cars Roy had? Not as much, as silver was not low volume.

What is your purview of the market and buyer in 10-15 years? Guys like me, and slightly younger than me. So what do we want?

Personally, I lusted after the 6.0 Roy painted balloon white for a LONG time. In fact, if the time ever does come <insert serious frustration> I'll seek the balloon white car, or a viola ophelia.....regardless of the original color (read: resprayed).

As an aside, Roy, I do recall the VI car selling somewhat quickly, and I don't even remember the MB car (so it must have still been wet when it sold ), but the white car....well, I guess the statement "within days" is technically true when you are talking about 90 to 120 days. IIRC you had that car darn near 1/4 mil when you first had it done. Also, it sold for, ahem, less than that. Premium over silver, definitely, though probably not a lot more that cost recoup. For what it's worth, the car really looked like an outstanding job, I hope it sticks around (the market) and waits for me. 2 fast sellers for the market at the time, 1 not, pretty good choices, if you ask me. If you ever did another one, go VO.

I guess my point here guys is let a guy paint it whatever he feels like, there's always going to be a buyer for it down the road, so just enjoy it.

I don't know a lot about paint, but isn't the oil based more forgiving and flexible? I had heard that one of the 2 was less susceptible to cracking, especially when you don't go overboard with the # of coats.

 

Not hard to guess, I was thinking about the black one Roy has or had that prompted this thread.

There is also a blue '99 on the market, not crazy about blue, but see that there is a fan base for blue that maybe black doesn't have. So in my twisted mind, re-painting a black car would be more acceptable than re-painting a blue one.

On the Murci side, my desired colors seem to be somewhat easier to get with a manual transmission unless you go to an LP-640, where manuals are practically non-existant.

As far as what color to repaint a Diablo, would either go Anniversary light purple, Balloon white, VI, or orange metallic....hell maybe do a corner in each color....LOL

 

This is generally true.

Interestingly, almost all the vintage 50s/60s/70s Ferraris that were repainted "Resale Red" in an effort to make them sale-able in the 80s/90s have been put back to their unique livery.

 

I have to say, the Alpine Edition Diablo that Roy has for sale is PHENOMENAL in person. In the day the slight metallic/pearl looks great and at night it looks electric.

 

Yes, and the roadster in Indiana has a nice shade. For me, blue just seems too conservative for a Lamborghini.

 

Yo Bill, you moved?? To some where COLD! Not the best pic but hope you like it...AND My Dos Los Diablos, Azules...is there a better color?
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OK, looks like there isn't a huge outcry against re-painting a car. I expected a group of people with pitchforks wanting to hunt me down. Now I guess the trick is to find one at a reasonable price (not the '99 black one being offered at $199k....LOL) so I could afford to do the paint up front.

 

That is a very good picture showing the difference in the blues.

15k-20k for a re-spray is ok. Really though, it should be a lot less. There is a HUGE profit when painting a car.....unless you get into bodywork.
We've seen people pay 40k for paint.

I find it interesting that someone can prep and paint a car for 8k and someone do the exact same thing for 18k. The prep and final results are identical. But, hey, what can you do.....they're happy to turn you away if you think it's too much.

 

Actually Peter, there isn't a HUGE profit in painting a car...it depends on the product used and the process. Three stage paint costs pretty much the same regardless of manufacturer as does clear.

The difference between an 8k paint job and an 18k paint job is the AMOUNT of product used and whether or not the entire car was PROPERLY disassembled, or if corners were cut to meet a budget. Lambos, like many Ferrari's use one time use clips everywhere possible. Remove the windshield...big cost. All the weather stripping without damaging it, good luck.

In 5 years, you'll be able to tell the difference between 8k and 18k jobs in no time. So prep is hours upon hours, which drives the cost up to do correctly. I've personally seen the work done on Roys cars, both in process and completed, as well as a couple of other cars out there that were repainted...and I will tell you there is a huge difference between cars that were obviously pulled completely apart and those where corners were cut.

But like with anything, there are masters in the industry and those people do command higher rates...and rightfully so, if anyone could do it, everyone would.

 

Enlighten me in something please. Where is the difference between these to samples of paint. I mean water based and oil based? Except the quality and the environment friendly rules is it a big deal for collectors to have their cars painted or re-painted with the old technique?

Thank you in advance.

 

Hey Kevin, good to see yor post

 

The material cost is not bad. I'm into this one for about $1000 in paint material (base coat clear coat), using Lamborghini color Telestio Gray & the top in Jaguar E type Old English White. The amount of time I have spent is extensive for such a small car.
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maybe the USA market likes car painted in a not OEM color, but not here in Europe where we prefer by far a 100% OEM car: if you buy a not original color car you always says "ok the car worths xxx bucks minus xx bucks to repaint it in the correct color". I'm very sad when i see how many white pearl Countach there are in the USA... A classic car is a piece of history so in my opinion it has to be the true history and show what the car was when leaved the factory as a portrait of that age. And not a remake with different colors or mixed parts installed many years later and so on: if you pay a ton of bucks for a classic Lamborghini, i think you want it how the factory did it and not how the fifth or sixth owner turned it, so the restore/repaint should at least respect the color and not turn a white car black or the oppsite.

My full respray costed more or less 16 k euro

 

A friend of mine who does top notch work says he spends only about 2 to 3 grand on the paint and materials... ends up usually charging around 10grand, BUT it can vary a lot once you start adding body work. Another big difference is that he now only has to do it part time and can enjoy it. I think some full time guys that are sick of it still feel the need to rip people off.

 

Roy was using the wrong term, "oil based" for cars. House paints are oil based or latex.

For autos the newer paints, primers, etc. are now water based vs. solvent based. This has been pushed via govt. regulation. In the USA, it is the EPA. The previous formulations used solvents (paint thinner) to lay out the pigments (primer, paint, etc.).
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I just want to say not all states require water based paints.

But when it comes down to it with a base coat clear coat most can't tell anyway.

 

Thanks for the discussion guys

I think I'm probably best served to give the seach for the right car with the desired color another year. On the bright side, another year would put about another $20k in my car fund, and if depreciation trends continue maybe a LP640 roadster starts to enter the picture. Would have to give up the quest for a manual transmission in that case though.

 

Don't give up on the manual gearbox! There ARE some manual LP640 roadsters (including that incredible balloon white one Nick Cage spec'd). Just harder to find

 

IDK, I have been tracking (as in keeping a file) the number of manual transmission first gen Murcis for sale, and watching the LP640 market closely at the same time. Have only seen 2 manual LP640 roadsters up for sale in a year and a half, both colors I didn't like (black and gold....the gold is available now).

Have fun with your Devil....

 

Alberto, in the USA the same is true with collectible classics. I tried to make the point with this post: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142875055-post8.html