During service my mechanic noticed that I need to change rear brake pads. He said that he had the parts available. Once he installed the parts he showed me the box. It was Brembo brake pads part 000216226 for Maserati. He explained to me that the rear brake pads for the Ferrari 360 are the same as the front from the Maserati. I looked on Eurospares and found different codes. So I looked further and the first picture is what he installed on my car. The second and third picture are the correct brakes. Is he right that they are the same or did he unload to me the brake pads he had remaining in his shop ? Thanks ! Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Your suspicions are correct. The Ferrari part clearly indicates that the friction material is Galfer 3321, while the parts you were given seem to use Ferodo HP1000. "Fit" and "correct" are two different things. Different pad materials have different friction, temperature, dust, noise, etc characteristics (note that aftermarket suppliers have multiple pad compounds available for different uses; they all "fit" but will be better or worse for given usage). Friction material selection/tuning for a production car balances a slew of such characteristics; it would appear that Maserati made a different tradeoff for the front of their car than Ferrari made for the rear of theirs. It's not (likely) unsafe, but it's not right given what I bet you paid...
+ 1 Its rear brakes so they do less of the work anyway It looks like the Maser version cost more than three times as much too !!
LOL !!! Thanks guys for your replies !! I was about to get mad with my mechanic... But I guess this time I will let it by... Thanks
Thanks for your reply, but I think Galfer and Ferodo are like subcontractors working for Brembo. Ferodo was founded in Italy : Home | Ferodo Galfer is in Spain : http://www.galfer.eu/ So maybe they are indeed the same specs, just different supplier ? Maybe ?
I would think subcontractors personally. Dude if you knew the kind of **** pads I've tried on the 360 rotors and the cars just stop fine. I even tried $20 semi-metallic pads from rockauto.com! Only problem was the pad was too thick and I had to grind them down. Ultimately I switched to girodisc pads that worked better front and rear. It'll stop fine and like the guys said you'll probably never even notice if they indeed are different. Good to know about the parts equivalence...
You are, of course, free to make your own choice. I only speak of how we do it at the car manufacturer where I'm a brake engineer. It is entirely expected that both companies are supplying friction material to Brembo. We have Brembo as a "Tier 1" supplier. That means they sell parts to us. In this case, Ferodo and Galfer (ITT) are "Tier 2" suppliers, meaning, obviously, that they sell to Brembo, but Ferrari/Maserati do not buy from them directly. Brembo will ship the car manufacturer different parts with different part numbers because they're designed to different requirements. This is very common; we get involved in specific friction material selection and often work with the finished pad supplier as well as the friction supplier. The Tier 1's might prefer to keep all of the profit for themselves, and only sell pads with their material, but have to concede to the tradeoffs and demands of their customer so it is not at all uncommon for companies that can make and supply the complete assembly, and are competitors, to have to work together to produce the part the OEM wants to put on their car. It is not likely that they're both the same spec. Why? First, the fact that the friction material is actually listed on the package! You won't know what compound is on your brakes for most cars. Also likely different because different OEMs, not to mention significantly different market uses, drive different compound selections. Where I work, we have numerous models with different pad compounds based on market (US, EU, China, etc) or intended performance level of a particular model (number of cylinders, suspension upgrade package, etc). Here's a page from Ferodo that shows how differing pad materials present different tradeoffs: Ferodo Racing (Note this is competition compound, so no mention of dusting or noise) For what it's worth, where I work, when there's a proposal to change friction material, either as a production change or for the service arm, we get a dyno datasheet with 40+ plots like this one Ferodo Racing to determine if the proposed substitute will be transparent to performance, or require vehicle-based evaluation. At the same time, other people are evaluating for dust, noises, feel. There's a lot of thinking and testing that goes into making the brake pads from the factory do the best job of meeting the manufacturer's requirements. They're both "high performance" compounds, I have little doubt you'll be quite content with the cheaper pads. FWIW, I did come up with one online reference indicating to expect lots of dust from the Ferodo compound. I see that the Galfer was used on the 550 and 360.