458's successor engine speculation

I have not much faith in insider info on the 458 replacement
Wasn't it LdM who said there will be No special edition of the
458 Yet here we are putting in orders for the Speciale

I've said this before but IMO if Porsche can do a 4.0 liter 6cyl with 500hp
Then Ferrari sure can do a 5.2 liter 8cyl putting out 620plus Hp

It's not gonna be the end of the world if they go Turbo - But once you go Turbo you don't go back HeHe

 

The measured performance, of customer cars no less, indicate that if anything that V8 matches its quoted specs. 3-3.2s for the 100 kph are attainable. So, there is no performance issue.

 

I wonder what sort of tires we will be able to have on the 458 successor, there is a massive developement in the tyre industry. New and improved tires coming out every few months, with big evolutions coming each year.

 

Ferrari just patented a "method for the deactivation of the cylinders of a cyclic internal combustion engine during use at partial load"

 

An interesting article - maybe with a relevance to this thread.

F1's engine revolution
2014 regulations: F1's engine revolution - F1technical.net

A quote: "The most important difference will be the increased amount of torque also at lower revs due to the possibility of the MGU-H to eliminate turbo lag by keeping the turbine at high speed."

 

After 2020 have to be a complete change

Increased carbon tub and KERS

It would also keep the NA ,918 has been done

 

According to these reports can be inferred,next two generations 458 or next generation F12
maybe there will be a carbon tub,a real high-tech rather than excess resin

 

This thread is fun even though it is all speculation. Maybe a poll:

The 458 replacement will have a:
1. TT V6
2. TT V8
3. NA V8
4. NA V8 with cylinder shut off managment

 

2.

Why is 4 a separate alternative? That is something ALL engines could get in the future. Regardless of induction method, displacement or cylinder arrangement.

 

given that the new California IS a twin turbo (that is 100% confirmed) I think the 458 successor will also follow the same route.
Emissions regulations are making very difficult for Ferrari to stay NA…
Not sure it is a bad thing…It is all in the execution…My old 288 and my F40 remain two of the three best Ferraris I have ever driven
I also recommend the GTB Turbo (2 litre 328-shaped Italian model) as a cheaper alternative…Ferrari have done this very well before

 

Definitely a twin turbo V8. I would not be surprised if they offer a Kers option that can also run for some time only on battery power like the Mac P1 and LaFerrari.

Yes, the dreaded Hybrid Ferrari is coming and it's going to claim using "F1 technology" as the reason.

 

Well, in fact Luca needed bigger seats in the back so he could drive his growing children. As he could not use the Maserati Quattroporte anymore when it went into "Audi" management, he started the work on the FF...

I agree that the 458s replacement will have turbo. This is not necessarily a bad thing as I drove the Maserati Ghibli some months ago and I was quite impressed (Ferrari developed engine). They do need to work hard on the sound as the Turbo does not help in this matter...

My biggest worry though is that the in-house design team will screw up the design by picking bits and pieces from other models (like with the FF and F12). You don't design luxury cars by looking at economies of scale - You should instead simply create a work of art (without blindly looking at costs).

Finally, change those cheap speakers!

So the 468 will be out in the open late 2015....

 

yes.... but 4 is the way that improved economy/emissions could be achieved while increasing displacement in a NA configuration.

 

Offering KERS as an option is an interesting idea. But it would be big $$$ and complication.

While I'm at it, we may have 1 1/2 years of speculation before we find out. This thread will have 10,000 posts by then

 

Agreed. For the time I also think a sort of KERS is too expensive for a "reasonably" priced car...
As I said earlier I'm quite sure they will go turbo. And I could also imagine it will be the same engine they will use in the CaliII, just in a more "sporty" setup, analog to Porsches Turbo/GT 2.

Keep on speculating ;-)

 

LaFerrari can't really run on electricity alone. It just has a crawl electric mode that does up to 3mph for some metres, in order to get in and out of the garage I assume.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADVyAyz31QA
Why modified twin-turbo sound is still loud?

 

I don't understand the issue that some people have with turbo engines.

Having a naturally aspirated engine shouldn't be a goal on itself. If you can create a turbo engine with the same performance, without turbo lag and a good sound, than what's the problem? Times are changing and so are engine solutions.

Turbo engines also opens up new opportunities as they are smaller. This way they can make super cars smaller (over the years they have become larger and larger).

In my opinion Ferrari hasn't produced any rubbish the last years and they know what they're doing. I'm sure that when they use turbo engines they will overcome the "drawbacks" of turbo engines. Otherwise they wouldn't be even considering turbo engines.

 

Turbo charging is a big benefit at altitude.

My 458 has 562 hp at sea level but loses 134.88 hp at 8,000' above sea level where I live.
so my effective horsepower is only 427.12.

Elevation and the Combustion Engine - Denver Cars & Trucks | Examiner.com

Turbo charging and supercharging an internal combustion engine does not lose much hp if any at altitude.

given that twin turbos can reduce the lag to almost nothing, intercoolers now are very effective, the engine is lighter and more fuel efficient...turbos are actually a preferred engine in the high country.

We have two Subaru turbo cars with ~250 horsepower each and they really haul here. Of course the 458 has ~177 more hp which is huge.

Our Boxster S has 315 hp at sea level but only 239.4 effective hp at 8k'...less than the Subarus!

We have ordered a new Audi S4 with 333 Supercharged hp and a 6 sp manual transmission to replace the 2004 Outback with 95k miles. Should be fun in the mountains.

Best

 

Phil do you feel a dramatic difference when you are at sea level with the car? (Have you been?)

I agree- it shouldn't matter if the experience is kept as a Ferrari experience- if the motor is TC or NA or SC. I think many worry that somehow Ferrari might alter the experience for the worse. I think we should give Ferrari the benefit of the doubt. Lets see what happens.

 

+1

I for one welcome the turbo engine with open arms. I'm a turbo fan (pardon the pun)

 

I agree turbo engines are getting better and better.
But having a ride with the Speciale yesterday I highly doubt that any turbo will EVER reach throttle response like that engine does. Any change in throttle immediately - and I mean immediately has an effect on rpm's. Just amazing - even more responsive than the Italia-engine.
Also drove the new 991 Turbo S, which is without a doubt a great car. But engine-wise I would NEVER trade in a NA car, apart from the sound of the Porsche which I don't like...
I hope they will keep the NA V8...

 

The s4 with the supercharged engine is a beast, you will love it!

 

I bought the car in Phoenix and drove it for two days but was never out of traffic where I could really drive it hard.

But the 458 blows the doors off the 360 Spider that I traded in. Fastest car I hve ever driven at any altitude.

Have driven 150 in Snowmass Canyon with no traffic and the car felt like it would never stop accelerating. Really.

Best

 

IMO one gets better throttle response and a more linear power
delivery with NA engines. Hence my preference for NA engines.
Eventually Ferrari will make a great turbo for sure -
But there is room to do one last NA before the clean
sheet design comes n 6-7 years