Red Scud w/ Stripes?

My Scud recently went up for sale in EBay... Of course you get tons of people that want to trade and also plenty of morons throwing insulting lowball offers at you.

One of the individuals says he had an 09 Red w/ White Stripes that he bought for $159k.... Ya right, but, are white stripes even a factory color? Never heard of that.

 

The factory built at least 1 Scuderia with white stripe
For Sale: Ferrari 430 Scuderia in Tiffany Blue

 

Never seen a red one w white stripes, but I'm sure it could've been spec'd that way...worst looking stripe I've ever seen has to be the double italian flag stripe on grigio silverstone, and that car sold for 170k I heard way back when 09s were going for 199-209k

But your car doesn't have oddities like that to warrant such a big discount. All I can tell from yours that could open it up for bargaining are the hazing engine bay panels, slightly unmatched paint and misaligned front bumper and non-oem wheels. Not saying bbs are crap wheels, just saying a lot folks don't like aftermarket wheels & see it as a negative rather than a positive.

 

Some people think they are so smart... Thy try to take the lowest low ball example where there is certainly a story that they of course don't tell you. Once they have identified the "worst car" they try argue that your car--no matter how much better-- should be priced the same.

 

I see a couple of 08 red scuds for sale w/o the factory stripe. How much of an impact does the factory strip have on the value of the car?

If you purchased one of these scuds w/o the factory stripe and did an aftermarket stripe, would that decrease the value of the car?

Very curious as the price of these 08 scuds aren't that far away from 08-09 F430s. Thanks.

 

I think it's a $5k reduction for no factory stripe.

 

Its natural (speaking as a buyer) to probe sellers trying to find the best sell price. My first serious bid after probing is usually 90% of ask. So for your car (at $191k right?) would be $172k. That shouldn't be considered insulting. You might not take it, but it should be worth a counter.

 

So then the $160k I was offered deserved the "no low balls, thanks!" Email I sent back! Haha

Ya I'm asking $191 on eBay and autotrader but $189k on here.

 

Yes, I agree $160k (83.7% of ask) in a good economy is fishing.

You're picking a good time to sell though as a year from now I imagine the plethora of $190k 458s and the distribution of Speciales will push Scud prices lower.

 

458 prices have dropped straight past Scud prices in the UK just as 458 Spiders are dropping past 16M prices. See no reason why the US won't mimic this and soon have 458's priced well below the Scud, after all the Scud is far more exciting to drive which is what dictates values down the line!

 

There is still a considerable price delta between a F430 Coupe and Scud. Sure you might find track cars or storied scuds. But mileage for mileage I do not see the Coupe vs Scud price narrowing.

 

Not a good correlation as the supply/demand curves would be totally different here. One of the hottest debate topics on here he past couple of years has been Scud vs 458 and the biggest obstacle in that debate has been the price delta.

Very shortly, that delta will shrink to near zero. I suspect given that, the Scud pricing will soften some. In my case, was totally underwhelmed by the 430. The scud was a much better drive for me but I would prefer all leather and the wife tought it was too loud. A 458 at similar pricing cures both these things, plus adds better street performance.

 

Yes, that's true. The mileage on the scuds have a greater impact on their values than the regular F430s. I should have been more specific that the asking price these "higher" mileage scuds (around 11K miles) is not far off from the low mileage (less than 5K miles) highly optioned 08-09 F430s. I think I saw a calculator for the scuds somewhere in one of these posts taking into consideration the mileage, but there aren't a whole lot of "higher" mileage scuds for sale out there to see what the mileage/price curve looks like.

 

Dude, why do you keep insisting there's unmatched paint on this car?? I told you the "yellowing" you keep bringing up time and time again was from the ****ty clear bra that was on the entire front end of the car. Once I removed it, had paint correction work done, and then new clear bra applied, there is no such thing of this yellowing anymore. This car has never had paintwork done!

Misaligned front bumper?? Not when I owned the car. BBS wheels are a PLUS for anyone that has larger than a pea for a brain. Not to mention, the OEM wheels are included/available with the car.

 

Lol... plethora of $190k 458's? Keep dreaming pal.

 

Its coming.....they have made, what, about 13k units already? There were over a dozen available at a 230k ask or lower last October as shown in a pricing thread ($225k by Fall?) thread on the 458 board. You don't think there will be a bunch of cars with $200k asks 16 months later?

That will be a depreciation rate of 9.7% a year, well within expected for the 5th year of a Ferrari

There will also be defections to the Huracan.

Sounds like you will be having nightmares....LOL

 

How does pricing of CS compare to 430 coupe in US - this should indicate the Scud to 458 correlation going forward.

 

Agree with Russell..That is like saying lower 458 prices will push Stradale prices lower. Not sure what we have seen with the F430 (vs stradales) or the current moves in 458s has supported that at all.

Sure there are some Scud owners who will prefer a 458, but I think there is a growing--or at the very least--a significant portion who are seeing the Scud as a special car that they would prefer. The same people who watch the Speciale vs Scud review and say they would prefer the more focused raw car vs the refined techno killer. Both are great--but people have different preferences. Unfortunately they are not making anymore of the Scuds..and the global buying base seems to be growing.

 

Nope, 1,300 CS units vs some 3,000+ Scuds (don't believe the goofy low numbers that a few people preach)

Plus, you have the greater CS collectibility factor that isn't related to rarity.....I never got that one personally, but alot of big money collectors seem to think its there

 

My uncle just sold his lightly optioned 2010 through Boardwalk for $247k..... Agree with tommy here!

 

What is the source for 3,000 Scuds? I think that number is more than 50% higher than the real number.

I have tried to research the number myself and get much much lower numbers. I have yet to see a definitive verifiable source, but below is about as close as I could get.

The best argument I saw based on real verifiable data said that there were 165 Scuds registered in the UK (public info). Since on average about 10% of F-cars go to the UK that puts the number at about 1,650 cars. The 10% number is an average, but even if you make a wide market around that you don't get anywhere close to 3,000.

Also, if the real number was 3,000, I would think there would be a lot more of them for sale right now. In fact I think the ratio of scuds to strads for sale has been around 2-3x which "jives" with the 1,650 number.

One more note, there was a claim on fchat that in an interview, a Ferrari person said there was 250 2008 Scuds shipped to the US in 2009 and less than 90 in 2009. Typically Ferrari NA sales is about 30% but went down to 23% in 2008 and 2009 due to the financial crisis. That jives pretty well with the 1,650 total production numbers. In fact it would argue that The UK took slightly more than its usual allocation of Scuds vs the world which makes sense for a model like that.

 

a couple of years ago, someone here did a pretty extensive year-long survey of what was available in the US market, knowing what the CS total was (1,300 units, forget whether that was US or worldwide) and the 3,000+ figure was his well-reasoned estimate.

It made sense then, and still does.

 

I think you are confused, there have been no figures on Scud production except the ones I've posted based on actual known registration numbers which show the total excluding 16M at 1650 to 1800. If you have other figures then please post them as the more information we all have the better, and I don't mean simply posting that someone told you there was such and such number produced.

 

Your data for a small market country has no bearing on anywhere else, and people have called you out on it in the past.

I'm going to take a flyer on this since I'm no longer in the Scud market. Great cars, enjoyed the hell out of my two test drives. You Scud owners....all 3,000+ of you LOL are very lucky folks.

 

You are again mistaken. I make no claims for my figures other than what they are - a small sample of the World market but using KNOWN figures for cars produced, no more no less. I am asking you to share with us your information on Scud production for the US that represents 28% of the World market compared to 10% in the UK. You stated you had figures and I would simply like you to share them. If you have real figures then between us we will have 38% of the market and figures will have even greater accuracy.
If you don't have figures then I don't understand your problem with the production figures of 1650 to 1800 being quoted. Do you have another agenda perhaps?