Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Exiting to the LIE.

 

Jim do like the 8c do you have any issue about it, the car is growing on me i am very close to buy one in switzerland i think the sound and design is amazing but how is the car for a dd?

thank you for response

 

Hello, I read your message and I am a little surprised that the ss is faster in a straight line. Yes probably after 300 km / h but before I doubt. The timer 400 m shows, it is even better for P1. So your test, when the veyron passes, I'm sure up to 250 or even more, the P1 is before (especially as the clock of 300km / h seems optimistic as can be perhaps for 200km / h). And as you say, if you don't have the knowledge of P1 as the SS, it is certain that your test is false because certainly you do not accelerate as frankly (which is normal because it is really bestial , intimidating.) the fact that you said that ss is more stable and fast in corners also proves (because in the corners ss will not even close). Having tested the P1 I can tell you that nothing comes close the feeling of acceleration of P1 and I'm not talking about braking and corners.

 

I love it. 20K miles so far with no issues. It does need snow tires if you drive it in the snow.

It's my DD.

 

Just sold mine here in Switzerland. Beautiful machine BUT take away the sound and you will realise just how unimpressive the engine is. In the handling department the front end is heavy and lazy and at very high speed (north of 250 km/h) the car moves around a lot. Oh, and the brakes... What brakes? If you do buy one, PM me as I have a set of AP racing discs and pads that help a lot.
It is way to heavy for a carbon fibre car. However, the build quality is good.

To look at, it is awesome. To drive, well you need to be enthralled by the noise and remember the looks....

 

Im not sure what you want me to say . Both cars are owned by 1 person , we swapped several times during the day . the ss was faster in a straight line and more planted in the corners and again i say i fully expect the p1 to kill the ss on a track . these were roads and regardless of bestiality ( oh err misses ) the ss had the edge . while certainly not a test of scientific proportions it was a very good test of real world conditions . the p1 felt faster , much faster but the bug was ahead . i was very impressed with the ss , surprising .

 

Considering the bug/p1 price differential that still says a lot for the p1 imho. In my area where the roads are quite twisty at times, I prefer a lighter car. Not that I wouldn't take a ss for the same price lol

 

Bugatti is vastly underestimated by 'car' guys. There are some advantages to weight in a street car IMO

Then again seems like a few guys are willing to spend big money on them

 

I tracked a 575 for a couple years. It had good speed on the front straights but going into turn 1 the brakes were on fire and the tires were shredding marbles by the second. 10 laps and you're done. Even 3,000lbs is getting a bit heavy imo. 4,000 .. 5,000 ... not for me

 

You never brake like that on the street

And besides the Bugatti has a massive air brake

I had a maranello, putting that car on the track was the equivalent of cruelty to animals! Nothing to learn from that lesson

 

animal cruelty lol i agree

Never braked like that on the street

I'm assuming folks will track these supercars, no? I will.

I think the brakes will be adequate for track use. Question is tires.

 

Is there any evidence of this claim? Somebody said it was on a sign at the Ferrari stand in Geneva which detailed the LF specs. It's the second time I've heard this claim has "disappeared". This is the internet - things like that don't disappear. As for the mention of it at the private preview, there must be a post in the F70 thread where someone that was at the preview states this claim? There must be something, somewhere on this site. Or are you saying that Ferrari claimed a sub 7-minute lap time and almost everyone here failed to take any notice of it?

One thing that bothers me is how British publications have labelled the P1 thus far. EVO called the P1 the "Ringmaster". Autocar called it "King of the Ring". Top Gear used the phrase "Return of the King". What has the P1 done to be worthy of such praise? It hasn't proved it can do a damn thing yet. No ~6:30 lap time, no 5G's in the corners, etc - yet these journalists/magazines all seem more than happy to ramble on about them as if the P1 has achieved them effortlessly.

Eagerly anticipating reviews from non-British journalists/publications.

 

Seems like you are of a very strong opinion that the car does not do it under 7 or under x compared to what Lone Wolf thinks.

Why not just make a wager and be done with it? I am sure eventually an owner will let someone drive it at the NB ring if McLaren does not release the time...

 

modena the picture of the sign was on someone's facebook page. Pictures were not allowed at the event. The facebook pictures have been deleted. I saw it there. If you google 'ferrari f150 private preview nurbergring' you can see some old pages where it is mentioned but of course no picture.

If I were porsche I would be sending cease and decist orders to all car magazines claiming the p1 is the king of the ring. Its not. Anyone can lookup the official ring times and see who's at the top.

 

I recall during the Geneva launch that Ferrari did indicate through floor signage and website that LaF will do the Nurburgring in "under 7-minutes".

This was likely based on computer simulation which in F1 is pretty accurate in predicting times on familiar circuits with a known car. The same simulation is obviously less accurate for predicting times on long changeable tracks like the Nordschleife and with a new car like the LaF.

 

judging by all your other posts, it couldn't have been anything other, yet there was a tiny chance you weren't being a smart a$$.

 

The whole Ring Time issue with the P1 is quite simple - their arguments for NOT releasing the time has backfired as all these pages and pages of discussion (negative publicity) if anything has made the Ring Time argument MORE relevant, not less as we're now even more fixated on Ring time rather than its performance on other tracks etc.

I feel I have a strong BS detector in life and the reasons they state for not releasing the time make ZERO sense considering they actually went to the Ring for the claimed purpose of setting a best time. If they thought it was 'too dangerous' and 'irrelevant' then why fly the car bloggers etc out there to 'witness' it instead of another track?

It seems if they were intelligent, they would have flown the bloggers/car mags to 3 different smooth tracks (none of which were the Ring), laid down hot laps using the 2.6" clearance best performance mode and set Track Records at all 3, everyone right now would be talking about how amazing the P1's performance is.

Similarly, if they were intelligent, and truly did run under 7min, they should've/could've released the actual time/video of it (even if it was merely 6:59) and THEN stated all the arguments they have since made that they feel they could still go much lower etc but at this time feel it's too dangerous and don't want to start a back and forth war of attrition with Porsche etc. so they settled on merely a sub-7 to prove a point.

We might have poo-poo'd their sentiment for a while at the time of that release but I think BY NOW we'd all be accepting their arguments, seen the proof it went under 7 and be spending our time talking about something POSITIVE about the brand instead of the endless back and forth talk that simply isn't benefiting them in any way as cars/brands in this very rare stratosphere are subject to greater reputation and credibility standards.

 

Awesome picture! Didn't know it was street legal!

 

It said "simulated lap time" at the nurburgring less than 7 min, so it can't be objected and they have nothing to prove.

 

Ha! In a strange bit of irony wouldn't it be hysterical if someone on the forum worked for Mclaren and knew the times this whole time? It would be hysterical watching the back and forth "ride height" malarkey knowing the real performance the whole time.

 

IMO Most folks buying Bugatti's are EGO inclined rather than Technical excellence - Just saying ;-)

 

I'm just surprised and I don't believe that the ss or before acceleration and as you say if you don't have the same experience of P1, you probably hesitate to accelerate as frankly . And the fact that you say the ss is faster in corner discredit your testimony and makes me think I'm right because this is simply impossible (note I'm not saying you're lying ) . Acceleration chronos show that only 300 to pass it but not before. On the other hand the condition of the road may give an advantage to the Four- wheel drive , for example if it is wet or sand (again reluctance to accelerate hard immediately). When we tested the P1 Dunsfold I can tell you that many are hesitant to accelerate suddenly and thoroughly. To make a good test you need that all conditions are fulfilled well as good traction , 2 drivers who know cars ( hesitation or error and that's it ) .

 

you are right and some people here as me, know the time of P1 in the ring. And me too was disappointed that they didn't give it but I hope they change their minds. And some people here will be shocked. And if they don't, I think I'll be able to require a driver to do with mine.

 

I am so confident at this point that Mclaren are full of *!£? how about this wager to any of the more vocal fanboys/mouthpieces. (you know who you are)

If during the next two months Mclaren release a video proving their sub 7.00 time from their FIRST ATTEMPT i.e, from the attempt that they confidently said 'of course we did' I will applaud their efforts and congratulate them on this very thread and then cease to ever post on the forums again.

If no such video of a cockpit and running clock from their FIRST ATTEMPT is released to prove their sub 7.00 claims during that same timeframe the fanboy/mouthpiece that accepts my wager would acknowledge foul play, and they themselves shall cease to post on the forums ever again.

Losing the forums would no doubt hurt more to certain individuals than any currency we could wire back and forth.

 

You think? With yours? Galt is right?

Some of us have actually run cars at the Ring at Speed. Some of us have raced cars at the Ring. Neither you or Gault have ANY idea as to what's involved in going for a Record Ring time in P1 at the Ring. How many sets of tires and wheels will you bring? How much testing will you do? How much telemetry will you crunch? How long will you be prepared to wait for weather? You going to rent out the entire NS so you can run alone not in traffic? You going to run at what ride height? You going to have a driver go flat out without fitting a proper race seat and HANS device? You going to come with the necessary engineers and mechanics? You going to secure the necessary communication equipment that can reach around the entire Ring? I could go on.

For any owner who seriously wants to have a go, we could set all of this up you for around 500K euro. (If you want helicopter footage of your run it will be more and this won't cover any damage that will likely ensue to your P1)

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