Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

So someone at McLaren told you the "real" time lap time too? For information that's supposed to be confidential in nature McLaren's employees seem to have no problem sharing it with plenty of the mouthpieces here (albeit, without showing them any proof of the time). This "I know the time but I'm not going to tell anyone" attitude is moronic. Why mention the time in the first place if you can't talk about it?

Dickheads.

 

Somehow I do not think Porsche cares about the little company called McLaren.

 

nice post

the highlighted part I've never considered...do you have to take antennas/balloons/repeating devices to get the radios to work? what frequency band are you using?

 

I am lucky enough to have a lot of experience with cars . Race , road , track and rally from the very top to the very bottom . My driving is of a good enough standard to race and I have ample car control . The owner even more so ( experience and ownership ). I was not hesitant to accelerate thoroughly

I think our drive on real roads ( some closed off ) was more representative of real world performance than your drive on a runway was .

 

Couldn't the car be so quick that even an attempt in less than ideal conditions and effort yields a record nonetheless?

 

It's funny because I dont think McLaren care much about the SUV maker Porsche.
How many F1 titles has Porsche won? Endurance and sports car racing is cool and important but its not super-technologically driven in my book. Witness the ancient 911 still slugging it out with its queer mounted engine for pete;s sake!

I really see this as McLaren vs. Ferrari. I dont think Porsche is in the same league. The 918 may be cool but its a one-off. Ferrari and McLaren live exotics, Porsche rents it for marketing.
every housewife in my town drives a Porsche, to me at least it has lost all its 'exotic-ness' and panache
It is a mass market company to me.

 

At the horsepower levels of these new generation of supercars all wheel drive and steering will certainly overcome any disadvantage of added weight. Just research Audi in the Trans Am series when there AWD was banned. Wikipedia..."In 1988 Audi would enter the Trans Am series with the 200 Turbo Quattro and steamrolled the opposition with eight out of thirteen wins leading SCCA to change the regulations to 2WD only"....

 

a) and you dont think the folks buying an enzo, laferrari, or 458 for that matter are EGO inclined? lmao

b) like i said, the BUG is vastly underestimated by the internet crowd. go drive one and let me know what you think...i too thought it was heavy and dumb once upon a time...

 

If you do not think Endurance-Sports car racing is not ultra technology then obviously you know little of racing. The tech in LMP cars is of aerospace level and beyond. Ever see an Audi, Peugeot Lemans car? They are F1 cars with high downforce bodywork

 

oh i agree awd is great, especially in weathe,r but you also have to concede that the e-diffs on todays 2wd cars have mitigated some of the traction disadvantage

i mean a 12c gets traction that is amazing, even in the wet

 

and porsche last raced LMP?
McLaren races F1 every year for the last 40 or so?

look, i like porsche and certainly respect them and the reputation theyve built, i'm just saying that in the car/racing world i dont think F1 constructors look at them as competition.

 

No.

Note race lap times in rain and fog, which is more than likely at the Ring vs. a good day.

 

You need special Ring legal radios/continuous cell phone connection/ Very accurate GPS/ multi course weather reports/ secure telemetry/ etc. Look at the 918 Record Video. Note the size of the crew celebrating. Bench Racing is a lot different from real racing or real record attempts. There's also the real issue of street tires. Even with 4WD the 918's were gone after one record lap. In a real test session you can easily go through 40 tires.

 

...and when were Mclaren last relevant in F1?

Lets see just how long it takes Porsche to be relevant in LMP1 and ask any collector worth their salt just how high they rank the Carrera GT in the supercar realm.

When Porsche race, they make history. When Porsche build a supercar they set a benchmark. Selling what you deem common 911's helps them pay for it.

 

McLaren Racing Limited, trading as McLaren Mercedes, is a British Formula One team based in Woking, Surrey, England, United Kingdom. McLaren is best known as a Formula One constructor but has also competed and won in the Indianapolis 500 and Canadian-American Challenge Cup (Can-Am). The team is the second oldest active team (after Ferrari) and one of the most successful teams in Formula One, having won 182 races, 12 drivers' championships and 8 constructors' championships.

just so you know......2 IMPORTANT companies in f1, ferrari and mclaren.

 

If Porsche entered F1 they would **** their pants. They race to win.

Again, when were Mclaren last relevant in F1? They have a single successful driver in over a DECADE and the last time they won the constructors was 1998.

Do you think Porsche would be happy with that return?

 

From your post, it seems that you have never owned a Porsche. I have. They are wonderful cars; hand-made cars. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Ferrari, but by any objective measure, the Porsche is an incredible car.

You may not like them, but any reasonable car enthusiast has to respect them.

But then again, I respect the back markers in Formula 1. Anyone willing to put their asses on the line at 200 MPH gets my respect, even if they don't win. Sometimes the meaning can be found in the struggle to do one's best. If you have ever played on an athletic team where a group of guys is all focused on working for the same goal--you will always hear one thing. Years later, after the trophy has dust on it, you will hear the individuals say that the thing they miss most is being around the other guys on the team.

 

F1 is far from most technologically advanced racing series. Also it has very little relevance on road car development... the precise reason why both Audi and Porsche decided against entering in F1(and Audi was really close to that, had it not been for the change from a 1.6 I4 turbo to 1.6 V6 turbo rules). Those 2 companies, especially Audi, have more than enough resources and racing experience to enter F1 and rub shoulders with the best...

 

+1000

 

i raced factory Porsche Cup cars for several years in a major US series
i know Porsche very well. dont teach me about Porsche. i repsect them and love them.
i've owned every 911 road car variant since 1999
i think McLaren is in a different league. Porsche, in 40 years of trying, has never made a street car as good as a MP4-12c. Porsche make very good propellers, these are jets.

 

As a Taoist I learned a long time ago that the journey is much more important than the destination.

I'm with Vince...

The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur. The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender.

Vince Lombardi

 

i think thats why they stay away. they'd never compete.

 

these companies do things on their own terms. look at how Porsche handled paddle shifting?
my 1998 355 had paddle shifts and now my 2013 991 has it.....what the hell was that? stubborn germann'ess?

like mlcaren with the ring time...these companies do things their own way....

 

I could not agree more with this post.

 

what exactly is so special about 12C?

If you said F1, than an argument could be made that it was a milestone achievement, but 12C!?