1979 Porsche 930 (...and 78's too!)

Very Happy New Year. Last spring i increased the insurance valuation of my 79 to $50k and now i may need to increase it to $80k. I should see if my 88 911 Cab increased.

 

Bud,

Rectangular Fog lamps (Rechteckige Nebelscheinwerfer) were standard for ‘78/79 RoW 930’s but optional for 911 SC’s. The main difference between RoW and U.S. ‘78/79 930’s was that air conditioning was an option for RoW. One interesting exception listed as an option in the ’78 RoW 930’s pricelist is: “Motor cover without Model Name”. Having true “delete” features on 930’s is very rare and IMO, very cool. I wish my ’79 had A/C delete (80lbs less weight), non-optioned sunroof & passenger mirror.

Happy New Year

Rich
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Great thread!
OK, I'll play. Here's my '78 930. 31,000 miles, sunroof delete, US car. Just took the engine back to dead stock. Took it out on a 100+ mile through the mountains yesterday... WHAT A BLAST!
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Thanks Mang!
Yes, when I bought the car, it was owned by a non-car guy and was neglected. At some point it was involved in a fender bender on the right front. Body shop put on a new fender and did a not so great repaint on the WHOLE CAR! People on this thread ask "Why would someone have to repaint a low mileage car?".... that's one reason. My plans are to do a complete windows out repaint. Original paint is wonderful, and I would prefer it, but how many of you would turn down a '73 Carrera RS because it had been repainted?

My COA listed sports seats, which my car didn't have when I bought it, so I sourced a set and had them refinished, (although after this holiday season my a$$ is a little tight in them, so maybe I understand why they were replaced, LOL)The rest of the leather was not taken care of very well, so to match the seats, I will treat the car to new cow.

The car is almost original spec now but will be completely "as delivered" when I'm done with it. I love this car.

BTW, if anybody is looking for the TURBO stripes, contact me... I have 'em.
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Tomdeg,
Great car, thanks for the pictures. Keep up a progress report

 

So those were put on after the PO's repaint?

They look factory. They're very rare.

Will you try to find new ones for your repaint?

 

Actually I had them reproduced. Silkscreened and die cut as the originals were. I have them in black and white.

 

Porsche 935 K3 Kremer Turbo Coupe - 2013 Pebble Beach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu2Gbp7Db6s

 

Rich.
Thanks for sharing the video of the 1979 LeMans winning K3. 1979 was a special year for the 930 when its race-car derivative 935 won 1st overall at the 24 Hour Race.
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Here is another clip of a 1979 935.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwur_jvxMzY

 

Hi Sloane,
Not trying to be argumentative, so I will just agree to disagree. Having been involved with these cars for so long, through PCA, as part of the dealership network, and with the number of 911s and 930s I’ve owned and worked on, I'm pretty sure what my eyes have seen, and it has not been the majority with blacked wheel wells.

I still remain not too impressed with the CoA at this point. I pretty excited about getting one for my 78 930.
However when talking on the phone with Porsche/NA, the young women suggested that my car was paint to sample, when clearly it is Petrol Blue, and has always been this color as indicated on its paint code plate. So, my only thought was that this was something related to its early production date? She said she’d research this and get back to me.. still waiting.

Yes, nice clips guys.. Thanks for sharing!

 

I do want to clarify that I am only referring to 930's not narrow body 911's which are not blackened. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. This is not about ego and I too have been 'obsesssed' and involved with these cars for over thirty years. If you have seen some of my posts on some other forums regarding speedo's, tool kits, headlight washers, vin numbers etc, you will see that I pay close attention to often overlooked things.

I quoted John Paterek who as you know is one of the leading experts in the country on body and paint, restoration, and a top PCA judge and technical advisor of over thirty years. If you do not want to agree with him or me, there is really nothing else I can say. I do think it is important for posterity that the proper information is put out there and I would not come on a public forum and post something that is not accurate.

This started when you said that the 7,000 all original red 1979 930 blackened fender wells were not correct. I own a '79 with 5,000 original miles and a '89 with 9,000 original miles and it is correct. I have a friend who has a '79 930 with 40 original miles (thats right 40! A true museum car.) that has never been titled and never touched and it has the blackened fender wells.

This is nothing personal and again we are just going to have to agree to disagree

Sloane

 

Here is more info about undercoating from PCA website:

911SC Undercoating touchup
Exterior/Interior | Body

Vehicle Information: Model: 911 SC; Year: 1981; Body Type: Targa; Total Mileage: 57,000;

I would like to touch up several areas under my car and in the wheel wells. I know that Wurth makes spray and brush on undercoating. The SKS is water-based, while the Hi-Build is petroleum-based. Which should I use? Also, are the wheel wells supposed to be black, regardless of the body color?



4/3/2002 2:55:29 PM

WE wse SKS grey then paint body color. Only early 91',s 65 -71 had satin black undercarriage. 930 turbos and some wide body cars had the wheelwells coated in matt black. John Paterek - Website - 4 /02

John Paterek


John Paterek [NNJ]
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I would put these on my car if I could be convinced they are factory. I have never seen any 3.3 cars with this only on the very early 3.0 cars 75/76.

 

I'm curious about 'alternative' graphics on the first 3.3 cars. My recently acquired '76 3.0 (#470) has the 'Turbo' graphic from the factory: a $120 option on the window sticker. I am negotiating on a 3.3 that is white and I'd love to do it with the 'Porsche' rocker panel stripe but like you doubt they ever came that way...

 

Turbo graphics were also available on ‘78/79 3.3 liter 930’s. The gravel guards and turbo graphics were installed by the receiving dealerships. The U.S. ’79 option list has both gravel guards and turbo graphics at N/C (no charge).
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I have only seen the Turbo graphics on the '78 and '79 build 930's I have not seen them on the USA '80 build '79 MY 930's.
Seen Porsche rocker panel stripes on the earliest 3.0 930's. Never seen them on later 3.0 or early 3.3 930's. If they exist they would also require a rear fender shield delete. If you can come up with something otherwise I would sure be interested.

Bud

 

Rich,
Thanks for posting - great list for info. Never seen Turbo Graphics on later '79 930's but per your sheet sure looks like they were available.
Bud

 

You're welcome Bud. I think they are pretty rare on '79 930's (there are a few in this thread). The '78 930 tested in the Apr '78 Car and Driver had turbo graphics.
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Hoping to get some confirmation on correct jack, tools and other items for the '78-79 930. I pulled this jack out of the Euro 78 I just bought. Look consistent with what others have seen?
This tool set was with the car, but I suspect not original. Too shiny for one thing! But unlike a '78 toolkit I have in 'inventory' which is much heavier, pebbled tool roll, plus many more wrenches. What think you?
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ersatzS2,

Your Bilstein jack appears correct for a ’78-’79 930. When originally supplied it came with a band that secured the male insert during storage, missing on the pictured jack.

The tool kit is not correct. It should look like and include all items like the one pictured in the Porsche Pet except for the tow hook which was not included for those years (in the US at least). The exterior corner was usually found with one or two red or green plastic tabs stapled to it.

Bud

 

Pictures of early '79 930 jack with rubber retaining band installed and removed.
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I've never seen this band before. Strange. I'll have to keep my eye out.

 

A link to the site would be nice.. and I think I'll give John a call to discuss more out of curiosity than anything else at this point.

As I am still associated with one of the east coast leading (Certified) Porsche repair facilities, I have access to numerous vehicles of various years quite often. Based on our conversation, I decided to.. "check myself," and thus spoke with my friend and shop owner who looked at me as if I was nuts, and suggested that "you already know that answer." He further stated that he has seen them both ways, but more often than not.. as I reported, they are seen as body color. My very early 78 930 aside, I also inspected several other 930s at the shop (76, 2-77s and a 79) of the for only one had the black wheel wells and it was a very poor job on a red car. The 77 was Ice Green, very low mileage and original and belongs to a gentleman that owns roughly 30 other vehicles. This car showed no signs of every having black wheel wells. Although, it does actually still have cosmoline on its chassis etc..

Further, I decided to speak with another very knowledgeable 930 friend/owner in the area. He happens to currently own several 7 or 8 930s, amongst numerous other Porsches. He recently sold 2 of them, one of them being an early 75, and one of the first hand built "Homologation" Turbos as discussed on Joe Sakey's Turbo Carrera thread (page 82, Post 1633). The other being a red/cork 79 which went for $85lk. Neither of which had the black coated wheel wells as discussed.

Again, he was in agreement that most 930s had body colored wheel wells. Although he thought that “some may have” as I believe I suggested as well, came with the black wells as you state and suggest that all did. However, we do know they all came with cosmoline if for nothing else, just for protection during the trip to the states. He further suggested as we pretty much all know, that you could get these cars detailed however you wanted based on what you requested. Again, from what he stated, you could request the black coating which we are debating, as well as additional cosmoline.

Additionally, for the record, I do know also that this gentleman has owned several 930s from new.. cars in which he ordered, thus I would think his expertise would be more than here say and preferred readings.

Lastly, let me say that I do not doubt the cleanliness or originality of either your, and/or your friend’s low mileage examples.. but I am still not willing to go so far as to agree that all 930’s came finished in this manner as its pretty evident they did not. As you have said, this is nothing personal.

Cheers