Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

First Porsche ever is a p1= mind blown
Porsche's First Car Found After Being Left In A Shed For 112 Years

 

M3?
Seriously? The GT3 variants of the 911 are leaps above almost every car made for the track that can be legally driven on the street.
M3 I wouldn't give to my 16 year old daughter. It's a cruiser for posers and isn't in the same hemisphere as a GT3

LMAO

Interesting what Generation Mp12 do you have? Next years? I'm confused as the MP I drove was about 80 minutes old 3 months ago. The 458 I drove was a year plus older.

What do you mean by several generations on the 458?

 

it's you who think this is stupid. I don't betray a confidence. If McLaren doesn't give the time or they feel it is not the time, I will not go against. Anyway though they will say you don't believe. You'll even be able to refuse to believe a video which shows time. Have you tried the P1? If this were the case, believe me you would be sure that it is well below 7mn. And do not tell me its height in race mode. What is the height of a Radical SR8?
Finally what is good with this, is people speak a lot about the P1 and brand. How many post you did post about this subject? You are curious to know and perhaps, that you irritates because you don't have the answer. But I hope the answer will come soon enough. And if it comes, again you will have something to blame. And when you see the time you will try to prove they have cheated or this is not true.

 

I assure you it is not me who will need to do. it was just a thought. Although it is not the desire that I miss, it is not for me to do. I agree with you that it would be very difficult and expensive.

 

I am certainly not claiming to be an expert on ring times. In fact, I don't have a strong view on which of the cars will be faster.

My point is--if two people have such a strong disagreement, why not make a wager? Now it can be a little tricky because you will need someone else to verify, but if that does not happen it could simply be a "push". Pick an over under time an just make a bet. If McLaren or another credible source never releases a number I guess you will never know.

However, I do very much doubt McLaren would lie about their ring time being under 7. With more power and down force do I think the P1 is at least 28 seconds faster than a MP4-12C. Probably. Do I think McLaren has capable enough engineers to make the car 28 seconds faster if they want to: Yes. They do have a reasonable amount of car setup experience I think... Now is the time 6:30? That is much harder--would be pretty incredible for a street car and street tires. If they do it I think all the naysayers here would have to really give them some credit.

 

The 'naysayers' would likely give anyone credit who can go there, claim to be under 7.00 and prove it.

We still await that crucial final part from their FIRST ATTEMPT, especially after their 'of course we did' comment.

At least Porsche were honest when they ran over 7.00 on their first attempt. No games, just the truth. When they ran under 7.00 there were no games, just the video and running clock.

They were given plaudits because they earned it.

 

Were you shown a video with running clock that proves a run under 7.00?

Its a very simple yes or no answer.

 

To me it just seems very unrealistic that a company with that kind of history would think they could get away with lying about it..but stranger things have been known to happen I guess.

Do people agree that the MP4-12C did it in 7:28? I know 28 seconds is a alot, but the car has a lot more power, downforce, and presumably more development time given that much of the chassis is basically the same.

 

The 7:28 time was also before the update, so you can probably shave a few more second off. That said, I think the p1 could be 28s quicker, yes.

 

Too many hurt feelings in these threads lol

 

Yea...Tue..

I guess the bright side is people are super passionate about these cars which is a necessary ingredient. How else would people put that kind of cash into these cars unless they were super passionate!

 

I was wondering when this epic discovery would be mentioned.....

WOW! That's some history right there!

 

Video at the link:
Porsche 911 GT3 dukes it out with MP4-12C on track and GT-R on spectacular roads - Autoblog

The little GT3 was down 141 horsepower and still edged out the Macca.

 

Attention to basic basics gave Porsche its Giant Slayer rep.

 

what on earth are you going on about?

 

GT3's have always punched well above their specs. the new 991 GT3 is an awesome machine. the forthcoming RS version will be even more so.

 

You are going to have to be more articulate than that if you want a real response.

Being smug, I advise, is not usually a productive thing. Even if you don't agree or like someone else's view or somehow believe you have the only real truth that somehow others have missed.

 

Ahah! JG doesn't have a ground clearance issues because he's driving a ... hovercraft! Is there a special class for levitating machines?

Cool pic, very cool

 

whoa. nice try. take a couple of steps back and let me shed some light for you. comparing a very light-weight purpose-built track car (don't even think about calling it a road car) to the P1 is silly. here you can not take one metric of Radical and directly use it for the P1...a 3400lb ROAD car. the much lighter weight (and aero specs) of the Radical allows it to run very different damper settings and chassis kinematics. resulting in great cornering speeds even over bumpy sections. whereas the 'heavy' P1 by comparison can not be optimized at such a super low ride height . great cornering speed in the Radical, optimized by ride height and chassis set up appropriate for it, along with other factors, THAT is how the lap is dispatched so quickly. got that?

second part of your post. what on earth are you rambling about?

 

Taking off is easy. It's the landings you have to watch out for...

 

Until McLaren acquires its own foundry and designs and builds its own engines that are better than those built by Ferrari and Porsche, they aren't leapfrogging anybody. Until they start building cars that are as involving as a 458 or a GT3, they aren't leapfrogging Ferrari and Porsche.

The 12C is a good first effort with suspension and chassis that are better than those in the 458. But the fact is many drivers and supercar buyers prefer the 458 over the 12C despite being the older design - that says something about the 458 as a total package. To say that the 12C leapfrogged the 458 is thus debatable. But to say McLaren leapfrogged Ferrari and Porsche sounds like irrational fanboyism to me.

 

well I'm no fanboy as you say, even though I'm buying a P1, but that is not because I'm a McLaren fan. Look at my handle, its frefan, so that is where my fan status resides, Ferrari. BUT -- when I drove the 12C its beyond a doubt the best modern car I've ever owned from Ferrari (458 coupe and 458 spider). Its a superior car in almost every way, and no I don't care about car reviews, I'm talking about driving all these cars personally 10,000 miles each. To me, that says a lot about McLaren, especially for their first car, I say McLaren +1 Ferrari 0.

I welcome whatever ferrari has coming and in the works but for a single car that is amazing on street and track, McLaren produces a better package.

Funny thing, I got into Ferrari many years ago for its performance. It was the pinnacle of engineering. But lately, I see the performance lacking. And now its so ironic that ferrari fanatics latch onto their personal preference for sound and their personal preference for styling, and claim that as success. Yawn. The 458 is slow and already dated.

BTW, the McLaren engine, even though they don't make it in woking, really kicks some serious ass.

Honestly I hope Ferrari get the title back but for now they don't have it.

 

frefan no doubt you post balanced views here and post like your last do more for McLaren's cause than others.

The 12C may be the better car compared to the 458 but then it had to be. It came later and was benchmarked against the 458 during its development. Lets wait for the P13, 458 replacement, LaF vs P1 results, new models, etc. before we conclude McLaren the manufacturer has leapfrogged Ferrari & Porsche is all my point to the lone wolf.

 

It's difficult to compare like-for-like when manufacturers time their model releases in a staggered arrangement against the competition: the 458 was the benchmark, the 12C surpassed it due to being developed against the 458, then the 458 replacement should surpass the 12C and become the new benchmark, while McLaren works to respond with the 12C replacement... etc. I don't think any of the normal production cars were (or will be) released simultaneously, meaning they are difficult to directly objectively compare. I wonder if the hypercars will have similar delivery dates to customers, making them more directly comparable, or if the manufacturers will continue to develop them for release in a staggered fashion.

If the 12C hadn't surpassed the 458, there wouldn't be as much hype about Ferrari's next release - it would just be another development, edging forward, rather than viewed as a response to a ardent competitor. In the end, all these shenanigans maintain collective interest in new releases and that's good for business for both Ferrari and McLaren.

At least, that's my vague impression.

All the best,
Andrew.