Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

The race versions.

 

Interesting how 918 offers an electric heater as an option as if you use it in the Winter in electric mode the cockpit won't otherwise heat up.

Personally I wouldn't go for the Sport version as it has AC delete. We even have AC in our race cars. Without it in the summer it will be very hot. Those who are getting one are you getting the sport option? The liquid paint at 56K? seems a bit much as well. Cool that you car get snow tires for it.

 

i havent followed the racing either, but as you know, racing is very specialized, and usually much of a marketing exercise in terms of the translation to the street car product. just because you win racing, doesnt mean the street car is great, and just because you lose racing doesnt mean the street car stinks, as i'm sure you would agree. Jeff Gordon drives a Chevy Monte Carlo right?

back to 12c's at the 'ring, who ran the teams? who drove? etc..

as an example, when i drove daytona, i was part of a two car team...our lap times were much slower than the 1st car, both 911cups, and you would assume it was because we sucked as drivers, but in reality it was because we didnt want to spend another $15k on tires and as a result we were triple stinting tires....racing is very deceptive.

one thing i would agree with is that McLaren would help build their brand if they were to sportscar race more. but its all very new. give them 10 or 20 years.....

 

Big Factory backed effort. Very Big and experienced Ring Drivers. The flag dropped. The BS stopped. We'll be racing them again in 2015. Hopefully they'll get it together.

 

i guess you'll find out. i'm glad you do well against them.

i still think racing is very specialized and it doesnt mean much to me in terms of enjoying a street car. and i guess you'll find out how well they compete over time.

just as an aside, RedBull Racing in F1 was basically in last place during their first 4 years, and look at where they are now... which begs another question: should i go buy an infiniti?

 

McLaren F1 thinks so based on their 2016 Engine deal. Red Bull simply has them as a sponsor. McLaren F1 will be using their engines. Personally I think Honda makes great cars and racing engines and will help them a lot. I also think the deal whereby McLaren will be building the new NSX for Honda will help McLaren financially a lot as well.

 

Don't you have a P1 on order? aren't they over $1 mil?

Then you put some effort into running a 24 hour race and you couldn't come up with a few extra bucks for tires? That's only like 6-7 sets.

Seems odd to not put your best foot forward at Daytona or any race for that matter.

 

Yep. That was an easy find.

 

Yep, sure was.

 

And I can tell the number anyway.

 

At the time it was our decision. Long story
More principle than cash, my point being not everyone races on a level playing field

 

Go to 2:00 and start to shiver ...

McLaren Documentary 2011 - YouTube

 

The first time i saw this doc i thought it was a spoof, but as it turned out, it wasn't. LOL.

Seriously cringe worthy from start to finish !!

 

Maybe some of you do not know the history of this thread. I have been highly critical of McLaren for not releasing a time and I have openly challenged them quite a lot. I have called BS on the sub 7 time.

One of the things that you guys should do is to read between the lines of my post. This is a very sensitive subject, and we are talking about a corporate secret that is pretty important to McLaren.

I honestly didn't want to post this conversation because it ran counter to about 50 posts I have made on here so far. As I am not really good at eating crow, I didn't want to post this. But it is only fair for me to set the record straight--as least as far as my posts are concerned.

Do you honestly think I would call a friend--one I talk to only about once a month--and have a 3 minute conversation? This conversation was 20+ minutes and besides talking about our families, we exchanged lots of stories about racing and the upcoming season.

I appreciate the fact that you don't have to believe this hearsay. It's OK, but I want to explain to you all why I will no longer throw rocks at Peloton about the McL Ring time.

 

Ron has some "issues".

 

And this is where you go wrong. It is about a laptime. Nothing more, nothing less. It is only sensitive if you make it sensitive. Apparantly, McLaren has done that by not disclosing a laptime. And your friend isn't helping with his silly non-answers.

 

Hi there;
I know this is my first post and probably will my last post as well,
as a Porsche collector and enthusiast I involved half of my life with Porsche prototypes
and I register here only for this post,

1. Porsche is always conservative about acceleration figures for example they claimed 0-300km/h for 19.9 but we test it under 17s in reality (I am very friend with people at Porsche) exactly like their claim about NS because Porsche was the only one with no any
under 7min claim instead they set the real record with 6:57!
2. Porsche is by far the most successful brand in lemans etc... for example the 917K record
in lemans is for 39years till 2010 and still unbeatable for gasoline engines till now for 43years, today an original 917 k coupe is priceless some original chassis are more than 20m$,
3.porsche 918 disconnected engine is due to make it faster and in reality it is faster than p1
918 record 6:57 vs 7.01,32 for p1
Kommentar von Marcus Schurig: PR-Schlachtfeld Nürburgring - sport auto

 

It's sensitive for Mac as they can't prove they did it.

If that's really what some guy said from Mac he's hiding the fact that it wasn't done thru more rhetoric.

There's only one reason not to prove it and publish an actual time.

They can't.

Smoke and mirrors is for the Vegas stage.

If Mac really did just want to test the car and they really believe we are supposed to listen to their spewing about it's dangerous...... We don't care about times .....blah blah

Why did they even mention they were there in the first place?

 

Which is what Ferrari did. Bring the car, do the laps, go home.

 

That is new info, that 7:01 time, although accoring to the article it's an estimate based on the average speed. Some have done that here too and come up with similar results.

Still, that article is interesting, particularly the bits where he talks about the discrepancies in the film vs. the timing of the press release.

 

He certainly amuses me But it's like every employee is straight out of a comedy sketch show.

 

i would like to read that but its in German? and yes Porsche has been very successful in racing, no doubt about that.

so when you say Porsche is 'conservative' about times, what you really mean to say is that they have adopted LYING/CHEATING as corporate policy.

why wouldnt they just publish the time on the clock? that 'conservative' bs has been flying for years, BORING...guys act as though sandbagging is respectable.....its cheating

 

Daft logic - unless I'm misunderstanding you (if so, my bad). Are you really calling Porsche cheats because they are claiming conservative figures? That's certainly preferable to the McLaren approach of making wild claims that can't be substantiated.

 

Very good article.

 

my point really is that they all cheat to suit their purposes.