Here is the link and do a search: http://www.pca.org/TechQA/TechQA.aspx I spoke with Paterek this morning. They confirmed 100% that the cars came with the fender wells sprayed black. They said every original 930 that they have seen beside black and metallic black had it and it was done at the factory. In addition I spoke with Bruce Canepa regarding another car that I am interested in and I brought up the wheel wells. He knew right away was I was talking about and confirmed 100% that they all came that way from the factory and the reason why (as I already posted many times for depth). He had one there with 1,700 miles that had it. This two people I spoke with have more experience and credibility with these cars for decades than most. The cars came that way. That is why you will never see any documentation on the delivery papers or PO that it was added.
Yes, the odds of this 35 year old rubber band still surviving today would seem to be rather slim. You can see another picture of this band installed in its correct position on the jack that is stowed on this very correct US '79 930. F L A W L E S S '79 Turbo for sale - Rennlist Discussion Forums Bud
With these two gentsI can not argue, and I am thus over-ruled! I will say however, that this finish is obviously unwelcomed by many, as I, and other have found so many of these cars, even those with impeccable histories without it! Great debate.. Cheers.
I bought my early 79 930 because of condition and originality. In the care of its previous family, it won at both Parade and Zone 1 concour levels. While it has aged and is not a single digit garage queen, it still retains its original paint and the black coating in the wheel wells just as the later 79 Guards 930 (#0912) recently sold at Motor Car Group. I dont think the black wheel wells could have been a detriment and still win in PCA competition. If the coating was added after delivery by the Dealer or others you would find a lot of 930s with it applied all over everything (hoses and all) but the correct ones are not found that way. Please remember, it is easily removed which may explain the number of 930s you have seen without it. You also state, I decided to speak with another very knowledgeable 930 friend/owner in the area He recently sold .. a red/cork 79 which went for $85lk. Referring to it you said it did not have, the black coated wheel wells Please take a look at the RENNLIST post Chuck sent out last September advertising his 79 Guards 930. You say that you were told that the wheel wells were not black but I believe the pictures show that may have been a mistake. F L A W L E S S '79 Turbo for sale - Rennlist Discussion Forums John s comment found on the PCA National web site certainly helps seal the deal as far as I am concerned. I would however not be surprised with random exceptions to this rule occurring with the darker colors bordering on the black spectrum such as chocolate and tobacco brown, oak green, and yes, petrol blue. This has been a much appreciated discussion. Bud
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I spoke with gentleman who is writing a book on Porsches. He too confirmed this. He even knew of a car in Europe that was being restored and the owner applied this finish. Here are some pics of two later 930 turbos wheel wells ('89 and '87) that were on Ebay recentlently. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Was the black finish only on 930 or was this also applied to 911s in those years? When did this start?
A closeup of the wheel well of a silver '79 930 with less than 1,000 miles. Image Unavailable, Please Login
As previously stated, I have seen the black finish as detailed on some.. however not all. Which apparently based on the information provided, would now lead me to believe that the finish had been removed for whatever reason.. but I must admit, I am still surprised at the number I seen with out it.
1978 930 Turbo listed on eBay. Amazing color if original, and if so, it's paint to sample as I don’t see the color listed in the 1978 RoW or U.S. color brochures. Sadly, has not run for 18 years. Amazing that it still has the snorkel headlight washers. No affiliation. Porsche 930 | eBay Image Unavailable, Please Login
I think that's viper green, a color available prior to '78. Unfortunately it's been badly neglected..Love the white seats..
Ed, Do you know the VIN for this car? On the surface this '78 930 appears to be a US car. If it is, the speedometer would be correct. The US '78 and early US 1979 build '79 MY 930's shared the same unit. US 1980 build '79 MY 930's had the 85 MPH unit, just like the US '80 MY 911's had. Bud .
Wow !! You just have to be mad at your money, for the bidding to get this high on a car that needs at least 50k to restore !!!
I got it !! but I'm a hoarder and always want more!! I was set to drive on Friday with trailer and take a shot at it, But not at that number. So all I can say is (bid baby bid !!!!!)
ed, I told Richard Sloane yesterday that I was going to plan on buying that car and that I was going to get her for $40k....he laughed. he said it will sell for in the $60k range even though it is a roach...based on colors alone!
First, you have to know the color is right, second from the looks of the roof it has had some very poor paint work !! But I'm still going, damn it man I help!
From Sports Car Digest about the recent Bonhams auction. Its not even a turbo!: Lot # 111 1977 Porsche 911S Coupe; S/N 9117201892; Engine # 6273359; Silver/Black; Estimate $45,000-$55,000; Cosmetic restoration, 2 condition; Hammered Sold at $80,000 plus commission of 10.00%; Final Price $88,000. No Reserve. Fuchs wheels, 5-speed, power sunroof, sport steering wheel, air conditioning updated to R134, Blaupunkt AM-FM, Porsche Certificate of Authenticity, jack and tools. – Sat for years but now has rebuilt engine, clutch and brakes and a repaint in the original color. Reportedly 20,870 miles from new, with an appropriately good and largely unused original interior. Sits oddly high, like the springs haven’t settled. – Blew through estimate into 930 Turbo territory, proving the value of originality. Bid to only $55,000 at Mecum’s Monterey auction last August, the seller was rewarded for waiting and for accepting a modest estimate that drew in the bidders and resulted in this extraordinary result. The originality is not worth the premium it brought; the Porsche is expensive.
