Virtually no turbo lag??

I only know that turbo engines make flames
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The twin turbo Porsche I drove had no turbo lag. If you are interested I can explain technically how they do it. The important point is it can be done.

Super charging being belt driven has no lag but provides less power , everything being equal.

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Nice flames
So-so sound

 

I'm sure there probably will be lag (if they do indeed go the turbo route), but just like everything else the technology keeps getting better and better...

 

VIRTUALLY NO LAG is not the same as NO LAG.

They will make it really fantastic but it will be different from the ultra sharp NA motor we have now. Its also the whole package that matters and Ferrari always does a great job. I'm not worried but as someone who loves that really quick instant response wired into your brain that the 458 really delivers, I'm glad I have the 458.

 

I say In ideal weather 93 oct fuel it would very hard to detect the lag, but in real world heat soaked engine 100+ weather it may be a different story.

 

Most modern high end turbos have no noticeable lag...

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I've driven them all and none of them have the crispness of the better NA motors. But they are very good for what they are. The question is whether or not that is what the Ferrari experience should be. The answer is we don't know. I suspect Ferrari will make it excellent, but will it be as crispy as the 458???? I don't know.

 

The Ferrari experience is whatever they want it to be. Theyll all sell regardless.

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The 12C has lag throughout its RPM range. Not fun.

 

991, 12c have virtually no lag, dont see why ferrari couldn't do it too.

 

I have one. It doesn't have any that I'm aware of.

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No it doesn't, it is still not electric like the 458 on throttle but it has no lag through the RPM range and I have had mine for over 18 months. However, saying that, there is something about N/A that is fantastic.

 

Thats my point. They've really reduced the lag but you are adding more things into the system and that will color the experience.

 

Coming from a modified GT2 with almost no lag, I could never swing the rear out with any sort of control When the turbo's spool up you can not control the wheel spin. Even in a straight line, if I turn off traction and stability control it will slide over 2 lanes with no hope of controlling it.
A NA V8 on the other hand is much more fun, doing a nice controlled slide whenever my heart desires puts more of a smile on my face than the enormous torque from a turbo.
I can't imagine that a turbo fcar will allow for getting the tail out.

 

Not sure if I'd call it lag either; I'd say the power delivery is just not as linear as an na motor...there was always a point in my ex-mp4 I could always feel the boost really kick in.

 

IMO the Fantastic part of NA is it's free revving nature.
The instantaneous climb through the rev range feels exciting
Even though one can feel extra power at the top of the rev
range the transition is a Lot smoother than most Turbo engines

 

I must admit after test driving a Mclaren 12C on Friday I did not notice any turbo lag. I was very impressed. I'm sure ferrari will be able to do the same with their cars.

 

I suspect many of the "lag" experts have little seat time in turbocharged cars driving at speed and through the rev range. And "lag" can mean at least 2 things in my experience (many track and street hours in various turbo cars). First, the sizing of a turbo can cause it to simply not spool below a given rpm, resulting in a nonlinear torque curve and as a result an increase in torque at the rpm where the exhaust gas volume and velocity spool the exhaust turbine and allow boost to build. Think F40 and some of the big single turbo Supras. A more subtle lag is the spool of the turbo at tip in throttle. With modern turbos that have ball bearings and lightweight impellers, along with carefully designed exhaust and intake tracts, this is largely undetectable. Using dual turbos can reduce both, since the plumbing can be short and turbos small, and the MP4-12C is in that camp. I suspect the newest Ferrari will be the same.

Subjectivity seems to sell Ferraris, but objectively everyone who loves performance should embrace the coming turbos.

It may take some adjustment in technique to extract maximum performance from a turbo, but surely the big babies here have learned to use forks and knives and mommy no longer spoon feeds them?

 

According to my mechanic, Turbo lag is more noticeable with V6 engines (he owned several porches), yet in V8 there is a lot of power to begin with so when they kick in, it just gets better.

V8 + TT will be fun.

 

so there is no turbo lag in Huayra?

 

The difference between a good fast car and a fantastic one is that the latter doesn't make you change your approach, it rather responds to your inputs as your brain intended. Let's wait and see if the new Ferrari turbo motor has the telepathic responses of the marque's NA V8s. Turbo lag, linearity, sound are all issues to be assessed.

 

I don't think its productive to start name calling just because someone doesn't agree with you. (ps- if anything is being "force-fed" its the turbo motor! )

You could take your comment to apply to those who still wish Ferrari would offer a stick shift.

Yes, the turbo seems to the the way of the future. But not everyone will love it and thats fine. Part of this is just changing with the times. I'm sure Ferrari will make it as good as it can be, but the question is as REALZEUS points out: will the interaction with the machine feel like a pure extension of your mind. I think its an open question and we have to keep an open mind until we get there. But I have my doubts they will achieve what they did on the 458. Maybe they will find something else which will become the successor car's hallmark and that will be similarly addicting. The good news is if you don't want a turbo, there are plenty of 458 and prior generations available.