Countach, the ultimate supercar

History is and always should be a matter of public record, as full as possible with total transparency.

If this car exists, well for an owner to to hide that fact from the world is a selfish act. To allow people to write books or magazine articles whilst withholding the simple fact a historical vehicle wasn't destroyed is to me at least unforgivable.

Why bring Joe into this ?, we all know your jealous of him Roy but please do the world a favor and keep your nastiness to yourself eh.

For the record no one could confuse you with Joe Sackey, and as im sure your aware thats no compliment to you Roy.

 

Anyways enough of Roy's regular Sackey bashing, let's concentrate on talking Countach's

 

+1 hit the nail on the head.

A few key posts recently seem to spark major potential that something could be brewing,
imo here you sound a bit sour that your not in this loop.

 

Am I in the loop - No (is there even a loop to be in?)
But then I wouldnt expect to be in it - so no real chance of sour grapes there tbh.

However as someone who has studied a history subject at degree level I do feel I am entitled to an opinion on how history and historical artifacts should be treated.

 

FUNNY how people read the written word..in ENGLISH and then thought process it to fit their minds and thoughts..

The reference to JOE was if YOU READ past posts..it is not I, but JOE who has consistently hammered people to post information, not just from me but from others..AND IF THEY don't..its is pooped pooped as nothing..so with your comment, since Joe is your hero (yes not mine) I will refer to his sayings and answer you as him...THERE is no "we have the right to know" information posted here..so it aint real and it don't exist...there fell better now.

 

Would it be nice to know and would it be a privilege to know about it? Sure. Do I have a right, or does anyone? No. Rights are God given. I don't think the creator has bestowed upon anyone to know the existence of someone else's property. That would alientate their right(s). Rights are unalienable, and if you think you can alienate someone else's, that's the bridge that takes it to privilege on which the other side is a slippery slope to tyranny. The US is rapidly advancing down that course.

**Rant off**

Awaiting removal for being P&R.

 

I think you are confusing, (since you studied History to a degree) that PUBLIC HISTORICAL relics and the such that ARE OWNED or under the CONTROL of Public entity's, I.E. the Government or the like needs to be disclosed to the Public...surely NOT a privately held "possibly" historic item..which of course is ONLY historic to a very few, such as us here..the rest of the world could CARE LESS, let alone KNOW what a early Countach is.

But this is a good theory, lets take it a step further under your "Obligation/required" demand..

Rod Stewart owned several Lamborghini's..and I think still does today...BUT the MOST HISTORIC is the "rumored" one that he had sex in the Miura and there was High Heel Shoe prints on the roofs lining..NOW I DEMAND for HISTORIC reasons to SEE photos of this escapade. I have a right. Its Historic value to Lamborghini........ LOL

 

What I find ironic is that you have a right to your opinion. You seem to have your definitions reversed.

As a student of history you should have the wisdom to know that not all history is - or ever can be - known. The annals would be bursting at the seams if all were known. Until ownership of private property passes into the hands of the public (if ever), then and only then do others such as you and I have a "right" to the knowledge of it.

 

That's the funny thing about taking the argument of those that think they have rights to others stuff to the logical extreme....they can never defend it, but merely call it poppycock or some such.

 

Roy we posted nearly the same thing at the same time.

 

HELL YEA you have an opinion, that is a huge reason this thread is so fascinating.

(forgive me Roy for bringing this up) I feel the Cheetah thread is a prime example why people keep things to themselves. Roy's enthusiasm and excitement to share a potential remarkable find was used by people to unnecessarily bash, bully, poke fun at, Roy, how ever you want to see it. Most people don't want to be exposed to the juvenile behavior that starts as one poster feeds off another.

If this (or any) historic piece is in the making, the finder could be preparing exactly what your asking for and are getting their ducks in a row. Who knows.......

 

What's the law got to do with this ?
Its a matter of morals etc (praps thats why your confused)

One has to presume that anyone who may have saved this car is in at least some ways an enthusiast (to whatever level or degree is where you could debate) so why would they not tell people ? Actively hiding the fact is imo selfish.

Now as I stated earlier I'm in no loop here nor would I expect to be - were I told and asked not to tell anyone then I would do as asked, but I would certainly wonder why such a thing be kept secret.

 

Please don't scare Nick away, he has always some interesting inputs in this thread!

 

Olivier,

Its always nice when a car that was previously thought destroyed comes back to public prominence, but its becoming very rare. If the LP500 exists in some tangible form, great, if it doesn't, no problem. After all, the Jota before it hasn't been rescued either. Not yet anyway!

I'll tell you a funny story:

I was approached by someone in Europe telling me he had Countach 1120001, and not the one in the factory Museum. He told me that the car belonged to his father and it is being restored in a shroud of secrecy. He wanted to use my historical experience to help him authenticate the car, as a prelude to its unveiling sometime in the future. With understandable skepticism on my part, I requested all manner of imagery & documentation to corroborate the claim. As you might imagine, nothing conclusive was forthcoming. Further discussion revealed that once-upon-a-time the car was an LP400S of sorts, then...

You can draw your own conclusion.

The point is, there are some who 'want' their car to be the Prototype, and will seek the aid of anyone willing to help them say it is so. Its not the first time Ive been approached by someone asking me to tell them its the real thing!

At the end of the day you can't blame car enthusiasts for dreaming, and I always understand inquiring minds wanting to know (about the existence or otherwise) of a historic car.

Regarding the LP500: The good thing is, the drawings of the original car exist complete with detailed dimensions etc, plus literally hundreds of images from the Bertone SpA archives, so, pulling off an imposter will be nigh-on impossible.

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When did it happen? 1,2 or 3 years ago?

 

No worries and no forgiving needed..MY CHEETA or however it is supposed to be spelled..IS A GREAT example..as to what you posted and what is now taking place..not EVERYONE wants to spend a lifetime here defending THEIR believe on an item..because I DONT care HOW documented anything is..there is ALWAYS someone that does not buy it..

AND food for thought, which is showing up more and more every day in this "collector car" industry with all the money. I call it just like the old "The King and his new Robe" story, that he was meant to believe he had a new set of clothes but walked down the street naked..and no one DRAE say anything to him

EXACTLY what is happening with SO MANY of these cars being "brokered" and "traded" by brokers with NO SKIN in the game and NO PUBLIC disclosure at the time being brokered..it gets brokered off as a "one of one" item, a "Historical", "numbers matching" etc etc etc.. BUT THEN when the "buyer" finds these claims from the "Broker" are BS and not true..he is SO EMBARRESED he was skunked for BIG MONEY he does not come forward and reveal that he was taken for a fool..so what does he do..he has it sent of to Auction or "brokered" off again to the next un-suspecting want to be collector that is sold a bill of goods and as prior will NEVER come forward with his being "snookered"..because he fears all the humiliation from the Car community...it just goes away quietly and the cycle just goes over and over again....so YES be involved with a "seller" that has skin in the game AND THAT does post Public about his vehicles traded and sold....RUN from the poster that "claims" its a "private transaction" and details can not be discussed...and states that over and over and over again...major RED FLAG to me and MANY MANY others that got sucked into that type of vehicle transfer/trading.

 

No offense, but with this statement you totally 100% do a 360 on what you said...so you think we have the RIGHT and the owner is OBLIGATED to tell us...however here you state, "If asked"...you would not tell either..so which side of the camp are you own...

AND THIS IS IN N0 WAY singling you out or against you, I just find it a very interesting last few comments in this thread. And feel OBLIGATED to respond and state my believes as you have

 

It was his choice to announce it himself, with his name attached etc etc.
Im sure your dead right that most people wouldn't want to be exposed to juvenile behavior nor ridicule, but did you actually read what I posted before you tried to rip into it?

I made it clear I didnt feel an owners name or specific location need be attached, just a general (anonymous maybe ?) post or announcement or general telling that "wow guys the Countach prototype has been found" (or whatever had been discovered)

Obviously there's no legal obligation to do this, but if I'd found it (or another cool/historical car) then I'd feel morally obliged to let the enthusiasts know it was still around. I may well not want to put my name to it -for the reasons of the silliness and haters you mentioned but also likely as I wouldn't want to be inundated with offersnto buy it either. But a limited announcement would harm no one and would give back to the enthusiasts

 

I've made no 360's
Haven't changed my mind
Yes I would do as asked if told private info (ie a matter of trust etc) that doesn't stop me holding an opinion that the theoretical owner should authorize release of said info.

But you win Roy, I can't be bothered arguing further, I give up.
Joe just must be my hero, I must be wrong, I don't know what I talking about.
Congrats

rollseyes

Can we please get back to the fabulous Countach discussion now please?
Roll on page 1000

 

Forget ripping, I'm to easy going for that.

Are you kidding! If ANYONE posted they had or knew of the car they would INSTANTLY be put in a spot light. If they didn't respond back to the inquiries, for any reason, they would be torn apart.
A company can't do a questionable PPI without being slandered and badgered until their name is exposed. I can't imagine what would happen if out of the blue a claim such as this Lambo was made. If it were to happen I would think a reputable and trusted representative of Lamborghini would need to unveil it and state the owner requested to remain anonymous.

 

Because that wouldn't raise any questions or anything.....

 

+1000...this just gets more ridiculous by the posting..

An anomies posting of
"Hey, no one knows me, I aint telling, but I found car #1"

LOL yea that thread would be 2nd ONLY to my Cheeta thread...

 

I forgot to post this...

A friend of mine, does not want his name know...but he has the "Cigar" that President Bill Clinton "used" with his friend Monica back in the day...

Lets GO FROM HERE!

 

Don't fret, it's water under the bridge. I don't feel there is anything harmful to you here, but its obvious you seem to feel targeted, and this is over opinions only, not even a claim of any sort.
The posts here are great and harmless. If the (cars)owner was informed or read there was talk and opinions regarding his treasure, the interest here is what could help bring facts to life. It's all good.

 

Agree.

Hey, here I am (in my last several posts) agreeing up and down with Roy, and Lord knows we've had our horns locked.