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  1. joe sackey

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    #12451 joe sackey, Feb 14, 2014
    Nick,

    Colin Clarke Engineering.
     
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    #12452 joe sackey, Feb 14, 2014
    Robert,

    My *understanding* is that this is the 753rd Miura built, chassis number 5096, white/white with gold wheels & sills. It was sold new to a Lebanese gentleman living in London by Lamborghini GB (per the factory register) on 7th July 1972.

    Perhaps the first owner's intent to take it back to Lebanon explains why Lamborghini GB supplied a LHD car (as the image shows) and why it had a "QM" prefixed UK plate (as the image also shows). Since the image was taken in September 1972, this all adds up, but of course we need more corroborating evidence.
     
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    #12453 Chaos, Feb 14, 2014
    S3 Espada ;)
     
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    #12455 Jota 5084, Feb 15, 2014
    Looks more like a late S2 to me ;)
     
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    #12456 Robert W, Feb 15, 2014
    No, the girl is the tallest by miles :) . Joe - thank you
     
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    #12457 jimmy, Feb 15, 2014
    think it was done prior to Colin's work
     
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    #12458 joe sackey, Feb 15, 2014
    The sellers stated that the work was done by Colin Clarke Engineering (without mentioning anyone else), scroll down to the part about this car:

    Horch 853A, Ex-Rod Stewart Lamborghini Miura, Peugeot 908 LMP1 plus More Slated for RM Auctions Paris Sale - Fourtitude.com

    "More recently, the Miura has been restored in its SV configuration by noted marque specialist Colin Clarke Engineering. Suspension, steering, brakes, and hubs were all rebuilt to concours condition, and all components have been properly and correctly finished. An exhaustive overhauling of the wiring, dashboard instruments, supply lines, and tyres was undertaken, and the steering and suspension have all been laser-aligned. The body was beautifully refinished in the factory colour of Blu Notte, and it has black leather upholstery of the correct pattern and correct carpets. The Miura also has its original front windscreen and side glass, which remain in excellent condition. The SV conversion and recent restoration work undertaken has cost approximately £100,000."

    Another early Miura converted or modified to SV specs. I can think of a dozen such cars.

    As they say: "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".
     
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    #12459 joe sackey, Feb 15, 2014
    She's probably saying: "Honey, why aren't we getting the Espada? There's a lot more room in there!"
     
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    #12460 miurasv, Feb 16, 2014
    If CCE had done the conversion the above should say that it was restored to SV configuration by them not in its which means that it was already in SV configuration, imo. None of these conversions are to full SV spec as the chassis would have to be changed to one with thicker gauge steel.
     
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    #12461 miurasv, Feb 16, 2014
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    Some screen shots from the Alan Yentob BBC Imagine documentary about Rod Stewart - Can't Stop Me Now.

    Lastly pictured in the nineties (?) with gold wheels and sills.
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    #12462 miurasv, Feb 16, 2014
    There was a documentary about Rod around the year 2000 and he's seen in his LHD white P400. Does anyone have the clip?
     
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    #12463 MiuraP400, Feb 16, 2014
    I believe only the first approx 125 P400 chassis had the thinner gauge steel. The SV only had some additional bracing to the late P400 and S chassis so it is possible to get the full SV spec as long as you due not start with a real early car.

    Cheers Jim
     
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    #12464 miurasv, Feb 16, 2014
    Interesting. Yes, the early chassis were thinner gauge steel again. I've always wondered about this. I've read quite a few articles where the SV chassis is said to be made from thicker gauge steel than all the earlier cars.
     
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    #12465 miurasv, Feb 16, 2014
    It was actually $9,000 US Dollars, not £9,000 GBP.

     
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    #12466 joe sackey, Feb 16, 2014
    Word-play at work.

    Personally, I would be embarrassed to drive an SV conversion. Nothing says "I really really really want a real SV, but I can't afford one, so I'll just pretend like I have a real one" better than a pseudo SV. Additionally, P400 and P400S are icons in their own right and one should be proud just to have a Miura of any variant in original guise as the original artisans made it. The conversion of earlier cars to SVs is not a positive trend for the overall well-being of the model for future generations.
     
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    #12467 miurasv, Feb 16, 2014
    I agree, Joe.
     
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    #12468 Chaos, Feb 16, 2014
    Period factory conversions are acceptable though yes?
     
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    #12469 Chaos, Feb 16, 2014
    Interestingly it has Italian spec front indicators on the documentary stills, but not on the other pic
     
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    #12470 joe sackey, Feb 16, 2014
    Yes, I'm speaking of the current trend of SV conversions some 40+ years post-production.
     
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    #12471 joe sackey, Feb 17, 2014
    SV lenses got changed around on many cars over the years, and you can see this on some recently restored SVs that are now wearing lenses that not correct spec for the country the car was delivered in.
     
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    #12472 miurasv, Feb 17, 2014
    Looks like 4818 may have been delivered new with the wrong ones. Stephen Keen's early photograph of the car shows the clear lenses.
     
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    #12473 miurasv, Feb 17, 2014
    Perhaps Gary Bobileff will know if the thickness of the steel in the chassis of the P400SV is higher gauge than the P400 and P400S????? I'd like to get an absolute answer on this.
     
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    #12474 miurasv, Feb 17, 2014
    I actually rang Colin Clarke himself of Colin Clarke engineering who is currently working on all variants of Miura. He was very helpful as always. He said that the gauge of the steel used in the chassis of Miuras got progressively thicker throughout its production life and that the SV chassis steel is thicker gauge than that in the S.
     
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    #12475 Chaos, Feb 17, 2014

    Not sure you can say right/wrong, as opposed to normal/uncommon - because almost above all else the one thing these threads have shown us is that the factory simply used what they had to hand on the day a particular car was built.

    Oh an whilst I love them all ,they do look much better to my eyes with the clears :)
     
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