Vraiment discussion

I've spent a little time on this board and he's the only nominee I've never heard of.

 

I just viewed the vote results and I said the same thing...

GT

 

I don't know this guy at all, but that just seems wrong, Rob... if he's been accepted as a nominee, then how can you justify pulling him from the list now?

If there are some other factors that would constitute him not being accepted as a nominee, then should those not have been discussed & decided upon before the poll went up???

 

I guess that explains why I don't know who he is.

 

Still... he got a lot of Nom's did he he not? So SOMEONE'(s) here felt he deserved it. IOW, a lot of folks that may only participate in one or two sections, but represent a large & loyal F-Chat constituency.

Just something to consider.

 

It was anticipated that people would be nominated and voted for based upon contributions on FerrariChat.com itself, rather than for contributions (however admirable and significant) elsewhere. The moderators usually don't object to nominations unless one of us knows of a disqualifying factor such as unfriendly behaviour towards the site - with Joe (Vraiment) being completely unknown to most of us, there were no obvious red flags and nobody investigated or objected.

It just seems very odd that the leading candidate is completely unknown to most of the moderators (very active members) and quite a lot of his activity is as a representative of another, albeit related, organisation when the award is to be the FerrariChat.com Ambassador. From the sounds of things, Joe is a terrific guy, but it appears that his support is derived from the excellent work he does for Ferrari-related organisations and charities elsewhere rather than for contributions to our FerrariChat site itself - and this view seems supported by the publicising post in this thread citing external links as evidence of worthiness.

This is also something to consider when nominating or casting votes. Of course, I could have overlooked significant contributions here.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Well, then what should be done? Should you throw up another nominee poll, minus Vraiment?

Not sure what would make sense at this point, since he certainly has some fans that are posting him up in the lead.

Except for throwing out all votes & simply naming that guy DesertDawg as F-Chat Ambassador for the year, of course - yeeeeahhhh.... THAT's the ticket!

lolol

 

While your plan does have a certain charm about it, Rob's seems fairer:

All the best,
Andrew.

 

OK, fair enough, but how do you/we re-nominate someone?

 

Post in this thread citing (or, better yet, linking to threads on FerrariChat) examples of Vraiment's representation of FerrariChat.com in a positive light, or outstanding contribution to the content of FerrariChat.com.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Ok, I'll try again...

As I said above, you cited external links of very admirable organisations and charities that are separate entities from FerrariChat.com. An award as an Ambassador for Ferrari Owners Group (FOG), Ferrari Owners Charitable Foundation (FOCF), or Make A Wish Foundation would seem highly appropriate, but I don't see how his promotion and representation of those institutions on FerrariChat.com is a significant contribution to FerrariChat.com itself and therefore warrants the award and title of FerrariChat.com Ambassador.

Joe sounds like a great guy with an awesome philanthropic ethic, but what has he done for FerrariChat.com? Not for FOG, not for FOCF, not for MAWF, but for FerrariChat.com.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Based on that assessment, I would have to eliminate him from the nominations, in favor of someone(s) like Darf, or Jerry, or Bernardo, or you, or Mike Seals, etc.

 

if you guys knew Vraiment it would be an easy choice.

Vraiment all the way!!

 

My apologies, I missed that one as it came in at a very similar time to my own post a minute later.

Obviously my exasperated reply makes me look like an idiot.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

it's an interesting predicament. a year or two ago StokPro won based largely on a small but vocal group of people rallying to get him nominated/elected (the Stradale guys). Up to that point I had no idea who StokPro was and had never interacted with him on Fchat. And I don't have a problem with it, here's why..with 100k+ users, Fchat isn't so much one community but many smaller communities roughly connected by the love of Ferraris. some people never leave a model or region specific subforum but do amazing things for the community in that subforum. so in my mind, if Vraiment is using Fchat as a tool for creating Ferrari community in NorCal,then he's good for Fchat.

he clearly has a great reputation as a kind, honest, hardworking, likeable guy and I think Fchat benefits from the presence of people like that

so IMHO, I think Vraiment should stay on the "ballot".

 

It's a little silly to ask for nominations and set up a poll and then when someone doesn't like how the votes are going, to change the rules in the middle of the game. If Rob just wants to omnipotently rule on the title of F-Chat Ambassador, then he should do so. It's his website and his prerogative. But once you announce the rules, confirm the nominees and start the election, the cavallino is out of the barn. Changing it in any way taints the award. If that is done, the eventual winner will be illegitimate, IMO.

My idea of an ambassador is someone who represents a community while outside of the community as a messenger of goodwill.

How many of the nominees got 50 Ferrari owners to slap Ferrari Chat stickers on their cars and drive them 400 miles, showing up all over the media, not once but twice?

How many nominees have published 2 magazines containing Ferrari Chat ads distributed to thousands?

How many nominees printed hundreds of T Shirts with the Ferrari Chat logo on the back?

Just how many users and subscribers have been drawn to F-Chat because of Vraiment's efforts? So what if he's not punching keys about his favorite wine, place to travel or what tire pressure he runs in his 458 Challenge car, what color stitching to order in his 458 Italia, what type of oil to run in his 599, or whether he should sell his Scud or his F-430? It's impossible to know, but I seriously doubt that another nominee has done more to promote F-Chat outside of F-Chat.

Now, as to the matter of not being able to read the thread title....

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