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Miura, the original supercar

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  1. xs10shl

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    There is a Bertone stamping showing the body build number on almost every metal component of the car. For example, the chassis bears not only the chassis stamping on the front crossmember, but also the Bertone number (100-8xx) on the seam above the location of the chassis plate.

    Very helpful, for example, in determining if either clamshell is original to the car, or a re-skin.
     
  2. miurasv

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    #12502 miurasv, Feb 19, 2014
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    Is the above info in The Lambrghini Miura Bible, Joe?

    xs10shl: Thank you for your reply. Do you mean that the Bertone stamping would be absent on a reskin by someone other than Bertone and this is how you tell a reskin? If Bertone reskinned or made new clamshells for a car wouldn't they be newly numbered or use the original Bertone numbers?

    I don't know how build sheets work. If a new body, chassis or other major components was commissioned by Lamborghini, would the original build sheet be updated?

    Would there be a Marchesi build number for the chassis stamped on it?
     
  3. joe sackey

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    Exactly correct.
     
  4. joe sackey

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    Yes, its in the Miura book.

    If Lamborghini dressed the car in a new body during the production period (in case of accident etc) there may or may not be production numbers stamped. Remember, with Lamborghini SpA, things were not as organized as some other car factories at the same period. Economics had a lot to do with it, and that's why a lot of things may not seem to add up, or make sense.

    Marchesi did not stamp anything, they gave the chassis to Bertone FBO Lamborghini who appropriated them as production went along. The production number stampings were made by Bertone SpA in Grugliasco, and then Lamborghini assigned chassis numbers and added ID plates at point of completion at Sant Agata.
     
  5. miurasv

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    Thanks very much, Joe.

    Kind regards,

    Steve.
     
  6. joe sackey

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  7. gurslo

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    Some could say that's the "fortress of solitude".

    Gorgeous garage from contents to decor!

    The photo of the Miura and the F40 is incredible.
     
  8. xs10shl

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    I've personally only ever seen one of the factory remakes in the flesh, and I recall there being something different about the Bertone number. If memory serves, I think both 3-digit production numbers were stamped on the body- the original one and the new one (but only one "later" chassis number on the front crossmember). I could be mis-remembering, so I'm regretting not having taken a picture.
     
  9. joe sackey

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    Every red in the garage is a different shade!
     
  10. joe sackey

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    Steve, Ive been meaning to point out (but keep forgetting) that the 2 Australian RHD cars have dash-boards & center-consoles in traditional period mouse-hair. I have not seen this application on any other SV.

    Please see 5036 recently.
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  11. miurasv

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    Yes, I found this interesting previously when 5036 was advertised by the vendor as having an alcantara dash. As you have never seen this before on any other Miuras, this along with the catch for the rear clam not being placed on the RHS as it should be on a RHD car, and there being no dead pedal for the left foot makes me wonder if the RHD conversions of these cars was actually done by the factory???
     
  12. joe sackey

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    I wish I could give you a definitive answer, but, I can't!
     
  13. ken qv

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    Fantastic garage pic Joe. I even like the Fiat LoL!
     
  14. Chaos

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    Were these conversions done during Miura production or later perhaps whilst they were using the same finish on Countach dashboards ?
     
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    Great question!
     
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    They all look "Rosso Corsa" to me!
     
  18. EMILIO

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    the "not leather" interior is interesting to

    there were many miuras supplied with these interiors originally but to find the right material-fabric-colors today is pretty hard so 90% of restoration comes out with a leather interior

    this car seats look original to me
     
  19. silhouette

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    Yes they were converted by the factory. My ex's father privately imported them to Australia.
     
  20. miurasv

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    Was there any written proof of that or is it just hearsay? The cars would have needed chassis modifications to convert them from LHD to RHD and it was Marchesi not the factory who built the chassis. The factory may have commissioned a company to do the conversions but not done them themselves. I just think that if the factory did them they would have done full conversions and wouldn't have omitted the dead left pedal and left the rear clam catch on the wrong side of the cars as whoever did them did.
     
  21. Chaos

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    The factory aren't exactly known for attention to detail are they - look at the Countach prototype in the museum for example.
     
  22. miurasv

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    Out of interest, what's wrong with the Countach prototype?
     
  23. Chaos

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    They can't even be bothered to paint the bumper the right colour (plus the car itself was originally red not green)

    But going back to these 2 rhd conversion Miuras, I'm not sure why you think the factory would have done everything perfectly?
    This and other threads have shown that even back during the height of production they changed things as and when they felt like it or used what they had to hand over more regular items.

    rhd production was rare, would the service department even have known things like the rear clam catch was on the other side? And if they did would they care?
    We aren't talking about a world class restoration here, just a modification to what was then 'just' a used car
     
  24. miurasv

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    How do you know it was the service department? They wouldn't have been so shoddy as to leave off the dead left foot pedal I'm sure. It would have had one on the car for them to see as LHD pre conversion. They were said to be "new" cars for sale at an official Italian Lamborghini agent before the conversion, not used cars.
     

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