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Rapid decompression

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  1. MarkPDX

    MarkPDX F1 World Champ
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    Had my altitude chamber refresher today in order to enjoy the dangers of hypoxia. They used to put the chamber up to 35k feet but apparently a few years ago they dropped it to 25k feet to cut down on physiological incidents. I remember my first chamber ride there were a couple people that had issues and it took a very long time. It also reminded me how much I hate wearing a mask. In any case the normal time of useful consciousness is supposedly 3-5 minutes w/ rapid D to 25k.

    You have a fun little worksheet with some math problems and stuff to work on. After 4 1/2 minutes I decided it was best to get my mask on while I was still able. Nobody keeled over which is nice as it makes thing go a longer. There was one guy though who was still pretty much ok after 10 mins at 25k. It was kinda funny because they started seriously questioning him at 8 mins and he was still quite lucid and capable and at they pretty much told him to put the mask on at 10 mins as they seemed worried it was gonna hit him all at once.

    Do commercial pilots do this sort of thing or is it just military types?
     
  2. tazandjan

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    #2 tazandjan, Feb 24, 2014
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    Mark- Did the same thing with long period of lucidity before the instructors got bored, but all mine were a long time ago so done at higher altitude. High blood pressure increases tolerance to thinner air, and g forces.

    Actually had a real rapid decompression at FL400 and mach 1.6 during a French DAYTEX exercise when we were playing targets for French Mirage F1s. Indications of a fuselage fire, so air source to off and, just like they tell you, the cabin filled with snow. Since we always flew with masks during large portions of flight, no problem. Landed at Reims-Champagne and flew her home two days later.
     
  3. MarkPDX

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    I'm glad to have avoided any major IFEs so far...... Several guys I fly with have crashed or burned up C-130s for various reasons and although everybody has walked away so far it's never a sure thing. The CC & DO were both fired last week from one of the J squadrons here after a series of "unfortunate events" and with all the cuts I suspect there will be more of this sort of thing as training continues to be skimped on.
     
  4. snj5

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    In addition to chamber stuff, we have had severe issues with centrifuge training. The bazillion dollar centrifuge across the street here at WP has been non functional for years and no one, least of all the contractor who is responsible for it, can say when it will be ready. So, we use another contractor to whom we gave the old centrifuge back at brooks. SMH.

    The biggest threat in the chamber hypoxia demonstration in my class was not the length of time at altitude, but the 4 guys that went to the Indian Buffet the night before. See Boyle's Law of pressure and volume.
     
  5. bigblock737

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    Commercial pilots don't go to the pressure chamber.
    In fact I did it once during the screening for German AirForce 25 years ago but as I chose to fly commercial airliners instead I never saw one again afterwards...
     
  6. tazandjan

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    Russ- Boyle's Law applied to females with falsies, too. Had that happen on one ride and it was quite comical. They had to descend and let her out. Her face was pretty red, and I do not think it had anything to do with cabin pressure.
     
  7. Ak Jim

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    Civilians don't do an altitude chamber. I think that's why they have to put on a mask at 25 when the other guy gets out of the seat while the military guys use 35.

    PS, thought you got out of AF?
     
  8. MarkPDX

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    I did... I now work M-F for them as a civilian.
     
  9. bigblock737

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    We have to wear the mask above 40 when the other pilot leaves the flightdeck...
     
  10. sigar

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    So it popped? I would think that would be very painful.
     
  11. tazandjan

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    No, it did not pop, but if we had ascended much more, that was a possibility. That is why they descended and let her out. Removing the bra in the altitude chamber was a little more than anyone was willing to ask her to do. That chamber was at Reese AFB in Lubbock. Not sure what they did with it when the base closed in 1997. We were sent TDY from Cannon AFB to use it back in the 70s.
     
  12. Ak Jim

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    Here in the US it's when one pilot leaves his duty station, which is defined as undoing the lap belt, and above 250 the other pilot must wear the mask.

    Taz, I went to Reese, it was a great UPT base. Kind of depressing when you go visit the old closed AFBs.
     
  13. bigblock737

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    Ha ha, in this case my Copilot wouldn't get anything to drink all day long :D Really don't want to fool around with that bloody mask...
     

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