This is the new California: The California T.

Well, you better get on the list now as someone said earlier. My 83 year old dad just took delivery of a new FF. The wait was hard for him - he always claims that he won't even buy green bananas... But he has been saying that for a while.

 

Exactly!

 

The problem is that there's a 100 grand difference between the two MRSP's without options. 100 grand is .... a lot! And, the Cal is a convertible. Sure, the cars are apples and oranges but to some degree, all the models compete against each other. I'm sure the Cayman competes to some degree against the 911.

I'm curious how Ferrari handles the options this time on the Cal because the F12 has quite a few already pre-installed.

I think you'll be hard to get a Cal T for less than 250K out the door. The F12 starts at $315.

The other thing is that I think it will be a lot easier to get an Cal than an F12. If someone comes in asking for an F12, the Cal T could be in their garage a lot quicker.

This car may have a face lift and a new motor but they sure did make it good looking in the process -- and a lot faster.

 

Do you really think a turbo 8 could be even money with a V12?

 

Not even money. It is just that people assume the goal for every buyer is to buy the most you can afford. So, the Cali is entry level so you will then buy the better models. I'm just saying that for some of us the Cali is just right, and even though we can afford more, it is our preference.

My bad on the price difference. My Cali was 265k, if the base F12 is 315k and includes a lot of my "options". That is not a huge percentage jump-and certainly not 100k.

The Cali is a desirable car in its own right. The T is more so. That is the point.

 

Right. Ferrari excels at differentiating its models while they all offer passion and powertrain.

I await the first drive reports of the turbo. Until then, it is a very nice but imperfect body. It will be the driving that counts.

 

I had a Cali and loved it, then the Spyder and whilst a better drive thing I preferred the Cali overall and now with the F12 slightly missing the convertible aspect even though I live in the UK. The car I really really want is the F12 convertible.

 

Tim, I'm guessing that the difference is that the Spyder, as a driver, has an edge, therefore feels sharper and is better for the track and for a two-hour run through my Adirondack mountain roads. While the California, without sacrificing the feel of being a sports car, well, GT car, you can drive comfortably every day, get into and drive from London to Paris and arrive relaxed, something you could never do in the Spyder. Exactly why I finally decided to sell my F355 berlinetta. It was a 185 mile an hour go-kart, razor-sharp and kept one's senses heightened, not remotely a relaxed drive.

 

An F12 Convertible would be awesome!

 

2 weeks until I see the car at Geneva. Excited to see in it in real life, from experience the cars always look a lot better in real life than they do on those over-edited press photos.

 

Sorry I'll be in Australia. Can't make it!

 

Totally agree if they can keep some of the clean lines like on the Daytona spider.

A soft top would be awesome.

 

I understand it IS coming.

 

I will be there as well and very much looking forward to it. Two cars to see, Cali T and new Smart- somewhat opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

I love the new Cali however this IS the one I am waiting for.

 

New Koenigsegg will be interesting. Did someone say 1450 hp on 1450 kg? Sounds absolutely ridiculous... As well as that, it'll be interesting to see if the Huracan is as boring in real life as it is on pictures, design wise.

Oh, and that bastard child of the P1 and 12C will be there too!

 

Bob, I have the new system in the new Ghibli that I just purchased. If its the same system in the Cali, I think people will be happy with it. I like it so far.

 

That is the same information I am getting. Likely to be correct then.

 

Would they call it the next Super America?

 

Super California...

 

SuperCalifragilisticexpialidotious?

 

I think you might be on to something.

 

We need some new pics in here!

 

+1

And a sound clip would be great!